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Shut it already! Scoble is *not* going to get fired!

[Note: Although I use the pronoun "you" throughout this post, I'm not generally referring to you all, but rather to the people who will read the post and realize, "Hey - he's talking about me."]

I told myself that I wouldn't get involved with or comment on all the noise surrounding Robert's "WMA Players Suck" post, but the noise is outlasting my patience, persisting like a drug-resistant strain of syphilis.

As someone who, every six months or so, gets himself involved with some stupid (really stupid) online controversy, I guess I'm a little sensitive about what's happening.

I mean, yeah, Robert's post was a little... well, not the greatest post he's ever written. His heart was in the right place, but it came out all wrong. That's fine. I'll admit it - I rolled my eyes when I read it. I disagreed with quite a bit of what he said. I cringed in parts. I cried in others. But then I moved on. It took all of twelve seconds.

What I'm seeing in response has floored me.

A sampling of the sort of quotes I've been reading (paraphrased, for the most part):

- "Robert's gone too far..."

- "Scoble should be fired..."

- "[Scoble is] representative of why people hate Microsoft..."

- "[Scoble is] arrogant..."

- etc.

Good god, people. This is a tad melodramatic, and that's coming from a total drama-queen.

You'd think he took the entire Windows Media team, cooked them, and then ate their flesh. I could see firing him for that.

But for a post in which he pointed out an area that Microsoft sucks (being “cool”)? And an area we seem to be having a lot of trouble with?

He's right, by the way - One thing that has been on my mind all year has been Microsoft's "cool factor." I've been talking to different people internally, trying to get a feel for why it is that the company has such an image problem, and that's just been out of curiosity. As a product evangelist, it's Robert's job to figure out the answers to these problems.

Yes - he's not on the media team, and he's digging into someone else's territory. I can't blame him, though, for being frustrated enough to do that. Windows Media is a great thing, and that isn't my Microsoft shirt talking - that's the part of me that knows, for example, that a WMA file with the same quality as the same song in MP3 format will be half the size of the MP3. I like that. For a market in which one of the competitive metrics is the number of hours of music we can stuff on a player, that's a great win for WMA.

Point being, there's a great product that isn't getting the traction it deserves, and that's driving Robert nuts. It's in his blood to market things - it's what he does for Microsoft. It's basically his life. He's doing what comes naturally, and he's pretty good at it most of the time.

So I can understand why Robert would be upset enough to post, and I can understand why the media team might be feeling a little bruised, but what I can't understand is why legions of people who are probably not stockholders, and who do not work with Robert are so bloody concerned about what happens to him.

It seems like people are being kept up at night over Robert's continued employment. They're tossing back and forth in bed, certain to the core that they could, nay, should be doing more to ensure that the company they don't work for is run properly, and that the product team on which they know absolutely ZERO people is not hurt any further.

These, my friends, are not the things that should be crawling against the inside of your brains at night. These are the things Robert ought to be thinking about. He dug himself into a little hole, and he'll dig himself out (I might add that one of his great talents is finding the good in things, and he's managed to crawl out of the hole with a bag of marketing gems slung over his shoulder).

The crazy thing about the comments is this: Have any of you thought about the likelihood of Robert getting fired? Do you really think Microsoft is going to fire him? He has the whole freaking blogosphere talking about Windows Media now. Whether he got us there by writing an expert dissertation or by slipping on a banana peel and falling on the keyboard is irrelevant. He did it. As a stockholder, I know I'd be upset if he were fired. I want these products talked about. As long as we aren't hearing stories of Robert taking people hostage and forcing them to switch product lines, then he's probably doing what I want him to do.

But, for kicks, let's suppose for a second that he were fired. What do you think would happen? Do you think Robert would spend more than three or four minutes without a job?

Recall the scene in Star Wars when Obi-Wan says to Vader: "You can strike me down, but I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Now, ask yourself this: Robert has been successful as a champion of technology - What would happen if he were to become a martyr by getting fired?

That's right! Robert can't lose. If Microsoft keeps him, then it's because he's seen as being an asset, and he will be rewarded. If Microsoft dumps him for blogging, then he'll be the most talked about thing in the blogosphere, and there will be companies clawing for him - he'll be able to pick and choose from any of a number of positions. You might argue with this, saying that he's too much of a risk, but that's crap - as a human conduit of tech news and names, what Robert could do for a small, no-name company trying to push a great product would be worth Money. Robert will be all right.

You can, therefore, stop with the melodramatic comments. I think it's awesome that he got so much feedback about Windows Media as a result of this thing, but I'm also a bit embarrassed that so many people saw fit to pounce on him at the same time, thinking that by kicking and biting like a bunch of brain-damaged lemurs they'd be able to change Robert's course for the worse.

I can't help but think of Gulliver's Travels when I picture all the bitchy commenters (many of them anonymous - that makes them twice as bitchy) trying to tie Robert down with petty concerns and a lack of tolerance...

Published Wednesday, December 22, 2004 5:50 AM by Rory

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Dave said:

At the beginning of 2004, I noticed something big. Now I admit I was behind the eight ball, but I noticed it none-the-less: Blogs@Microsoft.

In the last year we have seen Microsoft's most knowledgeable employees opening up the doors and letting us see in and quite frankly I love it.

As someone who has had a good dig at microsoft over the years, I can honestly say their image and reputation has changed significantly through the efforts of people like Rebert.

It's funny how people forget that people like Robert aren't robots of Microsoft™ corporation and that he actually has an opinion and thankfully free to express it - this is why their reputation and image have improved.

I for one don't think he's right on this occasion, but I'm certainly glad he didn't sit on his hands and say nothing about it.

Keep it coming.

Dave............
December 22, 2004 8:23 AM
 

paul said:

Nice summery of a silly situation, you would think these people would just turn-up the volume on their overpriced Walkman’s. Maybe it’s the short battery life that makes them so disagreeable. Santa knows who has been naughty or nice and I hope he gives Robert a Windows Media 2003 SE Pocket PC with a 1gig SD card loaded with DOTNETROCKS tunes.
December 22, 2004 1:01 PM
 

Tony said:

"[A] WMA file with the same quality as the same song in MP3 format will be half the size of the MP3."

Yes, I know, and you know. But Joe Public knows that his MP3s will play on an iPod, his car stereo and on his 15 Terrabyte MP3 he buys in ten years...

Otherwise, its nice that Robert Scoble has got this discusion going.

But the question should not be, how does Microsoft make a better/cooler product than iPod-iTunes-iTMS. Microsoft could make something better and drive Apple out of its buisiness. But that would cost them massive karma points. The question should be: What could Microsoft do, that is NOT available today? I think the Media Center is a step in the right direction, but I think Microsoft has it all backwards. It is not the OS, or do you care which OS runs on your iPod or on your home cinema system? It is the feature set, product design and usabiltiy, that count.
December 22, 2004 1:38 PM
 

Anonymous george said:

[First let me immediately apologize for the length of this post. Someday I will learn how to post short little snippets like everyone else. I truly am Sorry.]

Well, since Rory has decided to ally himself with Scoble, I decided to preempt all of Scoble’s detractors and insert all of their helpful comments as one mass lump in Rory’s comment list. I figure this will save everyone a lot of time and effort and prevent a lot of needless repetition of the same intelligent helpful discussions we have all witnessed before.

So if you’re coming here to insult or attack Rory or his post, please scan below to make sure your insult isn’t already included in those compiled below:

Stop whining and Stop crying! Are you insane? I stopped reading immediately (and just decided to comment instead missing your point entirely). Really who cares what you said. This makes no sense. Give it up already. Just another example of how Microsoft presents itself terribly. Get over it. Microsoft is good a lot of things, but being cool hasn't _ever_ been one of them. To me your post is exactly why people have disdain for Microsoft. You're on crack.

You are an arrogant tool. I'm guessing it's because Microsoft (and Rory since he embodies Microsoft) can't stand not controlling everything under the sun (including clouds). "Open source" development rocks therefore Rory, Scoble and Microsoft suck. It seems to me that with a couple of your recent entries, you're not making any friends. (with Salmon at least). Some of my friends are not going to unsubscribe, but I think you just made their "skim list" as opposed to their "read list".

Ironically, I can use the word ironically in a sentence even though the rest of what I write is total blather. "Cool" and Microsoft go together like "Rush Limbaugh" and "thoughtful" (I took al morning to think of that clever comment). You are absolutely PATHETIC and SAD (it’s capitalized so it’s more true). Do you seriously think that Bill Gates (sensors immediately activated at Microsoft headquarters alerting Bill that his name has been mentioned in yet another blog) is going to read this, let alone consider doing what you’ve said!?

Hey, I think you’re a bit of an idiot. Get a grip man! I'm confused. This insulting and presumptuous diatribe and it can be summed up quite simply: Nobody cares about the "blogosphere" its niche is smaller than the Mac's (which is why blogs fill enough of my life to make me want to post a comment). Is this guy serious? I think it's probably one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Why would anyone give a shit about you or what you say (besides the obvious person who gives a shit being me since I posted a comment)
Such nonsense from a YAKN -yet another know-nothing (tmmk – that makes me cool tullt – to use letters like that).

And the final insult that makes everyone gasp in horror…

Wait for it….

Wait for it….

Unsubscribed.
December 22, 2004 3:21 PM
 

Benjimawoo said:

yeah you m$-ites are s0 0wn3d by da man. M3d14 Pl4y4 shud b3 ju5t m4de by ppl wth 733t 5k1llz lk myne!
December 22, 2004 4:43 PM
 

Benjimawoo said:

Oh yeah, and Unsubscribed too!

~Sits smugly back 'cos he made his point~
December 22, 2004 4:46 PM
 

George said:

"yeah you m$-ites are s0 0wn3d by da man. M3d14 Pl4y4 shud b3 ju5t m4de by ppl wth 733t 5k1llz lk myne!"

For those who don't speak this language (whatever language it really is), let me translate.

"Yeah you Microsoftites are so owned by the man. Media player should be just made by people with elite skills like mine."

Thanks for reminding me of THOSE people Bejimawoo. I tend to get enough of that talk playing UT2004, try to forget about it during the day.
December 22, 2004 6:11 PM
 

Josh Charles said:

Hey Rory's right, for the most part. I for one actually agree with Scoble. It would be nice to see something done effeciently and well for once.

Have we lost the ability to take a good idea and turn it into reality in a small amount of time?

If we have, god help us.
December 22, 2004 7:28 PM
 

Benjimawoo said:

George - Well thanks a lot. Do you have any idea how long it took be to translate that from English? ;-)
December 22, 2004 11:05 PM
 

Vexed1 said:

I more or less agree with Rory and Scoble. I'm in a situation with my current employer where I've been pushing to get a development department created (it's in the mostly in the works). I went through all the proper channels, reasearched and presented to management, all that red tape BS. Anyway, I'm committed to doing anything with my name attached to the best of my abilities and if things are going to be done halfass I don't want to be a part of it. If more of Microsoft's staff was vocal about work or lack of work like Scoble is, maybe they would have better products and a better public image. I say good for Scoble for keeping the pot stirred.
December 23, 2004 1:07 AM
 

Riki said:

"Windows Media is a great thing, and that isn't my Microsoft shirt talking - that's the part of me that knows, for example, that a WMA file with the same quality as the same song in MP3 format will be half the size of the MP3. I like that. For a market in which one of the competitive metrics is the number of hours of music we can stuff on a player, that's a great win for WMA."

ok, I'm not going to let that one go!

Now call me weird (go on) but i have never heard the phrase "Damnit my 40 Gig <insert brand name here> is full, how can anyone use these things, they have NO room!" shouted across cubical-ville.

I would suggest that if space was an signifigant issue then the flash player market wouldn't exist.

SO the size of media files isn't a motivating facter (battery life on the other hand, now that is)
The number of hours of music that can be stored on high end devices is quickly becomming a non-issue for normal people. some people might think there is a positive correlation between player storage size and the owners touser size, but then some people think there is a positive correlation between how loud their car is and their touser size, which is re-dick-ulas.

bottom line, i for one don't choose my encoding format by size, i use quality. As such i use LAME mp3 with VBR and '--r3mix' (top quality) setting. The creaters of the tracks put alot of time and effort into compositing and mastering those tracks and i like to appreciate that.

riki
December 23, 2004 1:15 AM
 

Rory said:

Riki -

"ok, I'm not going to let that one go!

Now call me weird (go on) but i have never heard the phrase "Damnit my 40 Gig <insert brand name here> is full, how can anyone use these things, they have NO room!" shouted across cubical-ville."

One of the great things about anecdotal evidence is that it's easily countered:

I *have* encountered people (quite a few) who have filled up their 20/30/40 gig MP3 players.

But we could go back and forth like this all day.

"I would suggest that if space was an signifigant issue then the flash player market wouldn't exist."

I would argue that if size weren't a motivating factor, the *HD* player market wouldn't exist. Why spent all that dough on fragile/slow/power-sucking space that you don't need?

Well, because it turns out that some people *do* need it.

Just because *all* people don't need it doesn't even begin to indicate that space isn't a concern.

"bottom line, i for one don't choose my encoding format by size, i use quality. As such i use LAME mp3 with VBR and '--r3mix' (top quality) setting. The creaters of the tracks put alot of time and effort into compositing and mastering those tracks and i like to appreciate that."

Well, here's the beautiful thing (and especially beautiful for people with little storage space): When you're ripping at such high quality, space becomes much more of an issue than before, so why not enjoy the benefit of twice as much music at the same level of quality?

It's odd, but it almost seems like you're arguing in favor of WMA without realizing it.
December 23, 2004 1:23 AM
 

John Walker said:

Short and simple. Scoble is obviously passionate about Microsoft and wants them to succeed. Although a few feathers may have been ruffled, it's hard to dispute he wants to see things better for a Windows Media. Who in their right mind would fire someone like that?
December 23, 2004 3:49 AM
 

Dave said:

"I've been talking to different people internally, trying to get a feel for why it is that the company has such an image problem"

Are you serious? There's no great mystery. Have you forgotten the years of massive anticompetitive abuse of Microsoft's dominant industry position? The way MS made every effort to "cut off the air supply" of rivals, bully OEMs into submission, and reduce consumers' awareness of non-MS software options?

Many of the common complaints about Microsoft are exaggerated, and some of them are flat out untrue. However, there's no denying that MS has done some very nasty things in the past, and they did them over a long period of time. That tends to stick with people.

I'm not a Microsoft basher. For the most part, I think MS is going in a positive direction; they have an ethics policy now, and they're finally competing by making great software rather than pounding competitors into the ground. In the past few years, I've come to genuinely appreciate Microsoft's contributions to the computing landscape.

But I still don't *trust* Microsoft. I *want* to trust them, and I'm closer than I once was, but ultimately part of me is still waiting for MS to go back to its old patterns. After all they've done, it's going to take a lot of time to rebuild that trust.
December 23, 2004 3:55 AM
 

Blegh said:

Windows media could really run apple into the ground. But not until they fix fcukign Windows Media 10's licensing problems. Go read the Windows media newsgroups, its a fcukign disgrace. The licensing hardly worx and every music vendor has a differnent problem.

FFS, fix the bugs for once. DRM costs people money, and thats why it sucks when it doesnt work.
December 23, 2004 12:27 PM
 

Brian McManus said:


Are geeks ever going to be cool? Or does MS just hire a cookie cutter geek every time?

I'm sure Apple has just as good a team as MS but are they just that bit more individual?

Check out http://seattlesurfer.blogspot.com/2004/12/does-smart-guy-culture-stifle.html for some thoughts.

b.
December 24, 2004 12:48 PM
 

Chris said:

I got 1 issue with each company. 1 WMA format is nice and small, but it doesn't run on an iPod (old family feud?). 2 iPods are just too damn expensive. I cannot justify spend-ing 500+ CDN for a music device. It reminds me of the guys who buy expensive video cards just to take a screenshot and email it to all of their friends. Don't get me wrong iPods are cool, but for the price, i'd rather have a student loan payment. I know there are many flavours, but as all know Apple always prices them out of the market.

I hope that any company, Microsoft or not, comes up with someone cooler and cheaper then an iPod that plays any music format, even ogg, regardless of old wounds or old feuds in the industry. That would make a kick ass product.
December 24, 2004 5:22 PM
 

Brian Russell said:

Because it is fun....

iriver H320
http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/H320.aspx
Against the
iPod 20 GB
http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html

Size:
iRiver = 20GB
iPod = 20GB

Battery Life:
iriver = up to 16 hours
iPod = up to 12 hours

Display:
iriver = 2 inch color
iPod = 2 inch grayscale

FM:
iriver = yes
iPod = no

Photo Support:
iriver = yes
iPod = no

Audio types:
iriver = MP3, OGG, WMA, ASF
iPod = AAC, MP3, Apple Lossless, WAV, AIFF, Audible

Size:
iriver = 2.5 x 4.1 x .8 inches
iPod = 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.57 inches

Weight:
iriver = 6.4 ounces
iPod = 5.6 ounces

Voice recorder:
iriver = yes
iPod = no

Price (lowest I could find on the net):
iriver = $279.00
iPod = $279.00

So, the question is, do you want color or greyscale, longer battery life or shorter battery life, FM or no FM, photo support or no photo support, voice recorder or no voice recorder, and last (and the only one that would make me pause for even a moment) do you want wma/ogg/mp3 support or aac/wav/mp3 support?

December 25, 2004 9:18 PM
 

The Cyberwolfe said:

Some perspective:

You sit down to watch some TV after work, but every now and again the TV shuts off all on it's own, the picture distorts horribly, or you suddenly hear nothing but advertisements for penis enlargement in 15 languages. The only way to fix it is to spend an hour on the phone with tech support, and this happens at least once a week.
-Or-
You're driving down the road one day, when suddenly your car shuts down, accelerates / decelerates unpredictably, swerves around all over the road, or the radio suddenly comes on and plays nothing but Zimbabwean war chants at maximum volume. Of course, everything works fine once you get it to the mechanic.
-Or-
Your refrigerator develops a split personality and the freezer and cooler sections swap jobs at random intervals, or just shuts itself down for three days.

Would any of the above situations be acceptable in today's world? No, they wouldn't. Yet Microsoft has made computers (arguably one of the most important machines of the day) behave like this for several years now, and convinced the world that it is an acceptable behavior.

We're tired of it.

When it comes to the purchase of our personal electronics, we just want the damned thing to //work// every time we turn it on. With MS's track record, that is not something we believe can happen.

Microsoft also has a history of not playing nicely with the competition. Sound business sense from an accountant's point of view when you already have the largest market share, but very bad when you are a home consumer trying to get the most use out of your budget.

MS has been trying to clean up it's act in some areas, trying to improve their image. If this happens, it will take time. They will first have to produce a truly stable and secure operating system, delivered on-time and functional - at a reasonable price, and that includes hardware footprint. It should work perfectly well on hardware two years old, without the 'code bloat' it currently has.

Until this happens, us out here in the world think MS is blowing smoke at us. And we're right.
January 4, 2005 7:53 AM
 

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January 28, 2005 12:53 AM
 

TrackBack said:

Rory gets his gumption up, and defends Scoble
December 22, 2004 6:02 PM
 

TrackBack said:

The WMP Issue
December 23, 2004 12:13 AM
 

TrackBack said:

J.P.C. - Jason Clarke &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Rory&#8217;s Right, Leave Scoble Alone
December 23, 2004 5:03 PM
 

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