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Is Dr. Weil Good or Evil?

I’m an idiot.

I regularly rail on people for not being the slightest bit skeptical about “alternative medicines.” They tell me how much they love their echinacea, ginkgo, ginseng, dogroot, lizard bladder, rhino horn, powdered tiger penis, fairy dust, etc., and I tell them that I think they’re stupid, ignorant, foolish, unwise, irrational, and superdumb.

Of course, when nobody’s looking, I go out and buy myself a small selection of various supplements. I justify the behavior by the fact that I’ve at least done some research on this crap. Whether it’s an FDA approved drug or an “all natural” liver-dissolving extract being hunted by the FDA, I check it out before it goes in my body. If it melts my kidneys without curing my acne, then I don’t want to have anything to do with it.

One of the things I pick up, and about which I’ve previously written, is fish oil. I get it because publications, legitimate and otherwise, have been talking about all the fantastic possibilities about packaging icthyologous slick in pills and swallowing it.

The pills I buy are the ones endorsed by Dr. Andrew Weil. I don’t know a thing about him except that he likes to have facial hair, has the letters “M.D.” after his name, and is well liked by my paternal grandmother. I chose his pills because they were the most expensive on the shelf, and I figure that puts him and his company in good shape if I ever have to sue anybody for millions of dollars because my legs fall off after ingesting the stuff.

On the bottle, just up and to the left of the good doctor’s proud visage, is a paragraph which talks about why Dr. Weil’s fish squeezings are so much better than everybody else’s.

Here’s my favorite part of that paragraph:

Weil Omega-3 Complex is derived from molecularly distilled fish oil that is independently tested for heavy metals (mercury and lead) and other contaminants (including PCBs).

While my first reaction is to stop and scratch my head about just what the bloody hell “molecularly distilled fish oil” is supposed to be, the real meat of the statement is that the oil is “independently tested.”

Can anybody guess what’s missing here?

How about what’s done with those test results?

Nowhere on the bottle does it specify whether the results come back positive or negative – simply that the oil is tested. For all I know, these things should be called “Weil Omega-3 and Shitload of Lead Complex.”

We live in dark times, my friends.

Dark times…

Published Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:33 AM by Rory

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Andy said:

Also who were the independant testors? Dr. Phil and the Monkey Bunch? You have to wonder about the labels sometimes. But hey people watch T.V. and that's a best written for a fourth grade vocabulary level so if people can stomach and believe that sh!t I bet they believe just about anything on a label.
July 26, 2005 5:27 AM
 

Rory said:

Weird...

When writing this post, I thought, "I bet this is going to strike a chord with Andy."

And you were the first to comment :)

Also, it's a good point about the testers. No information is given as to who did it.
July 26, 2005 5:33 AM
 

sarchi said:

“independently tested” by F.A.K.E. inc.
July 26, 2005 9:26 AM
 

Toby said:

Try Hemp Oil http://www.motherhemp.com/nutrition.html, same stuff in it as fish oil and more. Also don't have to worry about mercury/lead poisoning. It's tasty too on salads or to cook with.
Plus it sounds cooler to say you're taking Hemp Oil than plain old fishy stuff .... then maybe that's just me ;-) ....
July 26, 2005 11:02 AM
 

anonymouse said:

Is it me, or is there something fishy about this...

:-p
July 26, 2005 11:38 AM
 

I love COD :) said:

When I was a little guy under the age of ten, my parents used to ship me off to my grandparents cottage for the summer. Every morning along with a lovely bowl of steamed oatmeal for breakfast was two, not one but two, cod liver oil pills. Grandma swore by them. I expect to either die at 55 from a liver that no longer functions or live to 95, like Grandma did, all because of those pills.
July 26, 2005 1:53 PM
 

Scott said:

I'm usually skeptical about these sorts of things, but I generally trust Dr. Weils opinion a little more than other "health experts" opinion. The Harvard educated thing helps a bit. I've read a couple of his books and he seems to approach holistic medicine with a skeptical and scientific eye. When the witch doctor comes over with his bowl full of gruel, Weil takes it to the lab and finds out if it does anything first.

However at the time I read him, he didn't have pre-packaged stuff for salel OTC. He was promoting a lifestyle. Anytime someone promotes a lifestyle and then whips out the fuller brush bag full of products branded with their name... well, I trust them a little bit less.

Bottom line is, if you are worried about what goes into these little pills you've decided to ingest, you should probably do a lttle research.
http://www.drweil.com/u/HC/Product164/
"Are the fish oils used in the Weil Omega-3 Complex pure and free of contaminants such as mercury and PCB’s?
Weil Omega-3 Complex is derived from molecularly distilled fish oil that is independently tested to be guaranteed free of heavy metals (mercury and lead) and other contaminants including polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs)."

Here's what your employer has to say about molecular distilation.
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_561505331/molecular_distillation.html

Another link which talks about the process in terms of fish oil pill production. Interesting, sardines and anchovies are highest in those omega-3 fatty acids.
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/GarryGordon/KarlLorenResearch/p20.html

As far as the fish oil itself. ehhhh. I've never seen a study where they could say "these two people used to be just as dumb as the other, but this guy took fish oil pills and now he's smarter/better looking/has whiter teeth/doesn't have alzheimers". But I've never seen one where they said "this guy died/has a smaller penis/had a heart attack/got cancer/had his wife leave him because he took fish oil pills."

July 26, 2005 2:15 PM
 

Asd said:

I've seen a study where dumb kids got a bit smarter after taking fish oil pills. Couldn't give you a link to it though.
July 26, 2005 2:20 PM
 

Axiom said:

Andrew Weil is just another "new age" alternative not-healer. He's mentioned specifically at QuackWatch: http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/weil.html

There have been studies on the effects of fish oil: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=fish+oil&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search

Summary: fish oil / olive oil / etc. may have some useful effects but I certainly wouldn't give my money to this guy.
July 26, 2005 3:02 PM
 

Rory said:

Scott -

"The Harvard educated thing helps a bit"

But it shouldn't...

Dr. John Mack went to Harvard:

http://shrinkster.com/6xy

They get their share of weirdos, too :)
July 26, 2005 4:04 PM
 

Scott said:

Rory: "But it shouldn't... "

True and Galileo was a heretic and a weirdo in his time, but we do associate a certain amount of authority to people based on their background. And with good reason. If we question EVERY authority, then we are left to our own devices. Which means that, if we are to make informed decisions on our own, we have to become an authority on EVERYTHING. Which is just not feasible. I'm not going to get a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry so that I can second guess my doctor. Nor am I going to becoming a certified mechanic so I'll know when I'm getting ripped off.

But I think people do have to develop a smell for bad science. I usually recommend the book "Voodoo Science".

Axiom: Very enlightening link to Weils background. I've only ready "8 weeks to optimum health". I only took away some of the healthy food tips (e.g. fish is good, trans fatty acids are bad) mainly because it jibbed with what I was being taught in science classes at college. At the time I read it, he only had a couple of books out and was not "Dr. Weil, Inc" selling all sorts of pills and classes. Now that he is, he makes my nose itch. I think the bigger benefit in fish oil comes from eating fish instead of red meat all the time.

Have you noticed any positive effects from the fish oil Rory? Even if it's a placebo effect.
July 26, 2005 5:41 PM
 

Ben said:

I don't think quackwatch was taking into account the rounded form, friendly smile, and big white beard. Nobody that looks that much like a pleasantly bald Santa Claus could be feeding you anything bad. I say keep taking them.
July 26, 2005 5:49 PM
 

Anonymous said:

July 26, 2005 7:51 PM
 

Ryan Roberts said:

You coughed up for a JREF subscription yet Rory? Mr Randi looks like santa too, even though he's a cumudeongly old goat.

He blogs, sortof :) http://www.randi.org/
July 26, 2005 9:32 PM
 

Josh said:

The FDA is polluted with big pharma lobbying money and influence.
It is in the best interest of a lot of big companies to make sure the public thinks of any "natural" remedies as questionable/ alternative, and their supporters as "quacks".
I'm not going to back this up with any links, to make it easier to dismiss me as a rambling conspiracy theorist.
Follow the money.
July 26, 2005 11:45 PM
 

Rory said:

Josh -

"The FDA is polluted with big pharma lobbying money and influence."

The FDA isn't even *remotely* entirely corrupt.

Are there problems? Yes.

But the FDA provides at least *some* protection for consumers.

The "natural supplement" industry, on the other hand, doesn't even contain *corrupt* safeguards - it doesn't contain *any*.

Thanks, but I'll take *some* corrupt help over none at all.

At least there's culpability with the FDA.

"It is in the best interest of a lot of big companies to make sure the public thinks of any 'natural' remedies as questionable/ alternative, and their supporters as 'quacks'."

1) These supplement companies *are* "big companies" - they exist to make money - not to help you

2) If their "remedies" *aren't* quack medicine, then why don't they try for FDA approval?

"I'm not going to back this up with any links"

I wouldn't expect someone making your arguments to back them up.

"to make it easier to dismiss me as a rambling conspiracy theorist."

It did. Thank you :)

"Follow the money."

...all the way back to Dr. Weil.
July 27, 2005 12:02 AM
 

Anonymous said:

What do you call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.
July 27, 2005 12:47 AM
 

Kenny said:

How could taking fish pills be a bad thing when a mere fish cake gives you a point of intellegence?
July 27, 2005 1:35 AM
 

Josh said:

My original post started as a wink-wink joke, but since you took it so seriously, I guess I'll play along.

1) The natural remedies I was thinking of aren't owned by any company. Sure there are companies out there that sell supplements, but thats not really what I had in mind. The point is that there are things that are "natural", that you can get from many sources, that the earth provides, not a patent protected formula cooked up in a lab. So in that sense, there is less of a monetary motivation from a single entity.

2) See #1. Nobody owns this stuff. Which means nobody can afford to pay for the very expensive FDA approval process to get something qualified as a "drug". And unless you get the FDA seal of approval as a "drug", you cannot legally make any claims that it can treat something.
July 27, 2005 4:14 AM
 

Axiom said:

"Have you noticed any positive effects from the fish oil Rory? Even if it's a placebo effect."

I suspect that there's a very real effect that can be traced to intake of oils (certainly mineral oil, fish / olive oil possibly).

Pooping.

If you have kids that have ever gotten constipated, you probably know that mineral oil will often clear that problem right up.

Of course, that might put people off if you list it as a feature on the label:

"This oil supplement will help you poop better. We dare you to take this product to the counter, you poor pooper, you."
July 27, 2005 4:17 PM
 

Axiom said:

"And unless you get the FDA seal of approval as a "drug", you cannot legally make any claims that it can treat something."

Actually, that's the complete reverse of reality. Researchers are coming up with new treatments on a regular basis. The FDA restricts what you can sell as a "drug" in the sense that they require the vendor to provide evidence that (a) the treatment works and (b) what are the negative side effects.

For example, Orac briefly alludes to a treatment that he was partly responsible for discovering that did not reach the marketable drug state.

http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/07/academia-in-drug-development.html

The reason that a lot of these supplements are not presented to the FDA is (a) they often don't do anything (e.g., homeopathic "remedies" == distilled water) and / or (b) their side effects are extremely nasty.

For example, St. John's Wort: does nothing for depression, can interfere with a variety of drugs and has a variety of life-affecting side-effects.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/stjohnswort/
July 27, 2005 4:28 PM
 

Jeremy Brayton said:

*Throws fire to the whole FDA conspiracy*

When's the last time anything was cured? Completely, utterly, cured. Polio?

Why hasn't anything been cured since then? Not enough funding for research? BS.

Doctors and drugs by majority treat symptoms. They rarely know or even attempt to attack a root cause. When I have a headache, is it because of an aspirin deficiency? Nope, a headache is simply my body's alarm that something else is really what's causing the problem. So the only thing an aspirin does is supress that alarm.

Drug manufacturers are in the business to make money and nothing is wrong with that. But what happens when people get healthy? There's no more money. So it isn't a stretch to think that they develop drugs that simply treat symptoms and "cure" over time because they cannot recoup research costs with a one time hit. They must have "repeat customers" to even attempt to make a dent in the money they spent. This doesn't mean that every company out there develops drugs to lure "potential customers" into a long term "health investment" though one has to question it when so many people just aren't getting well. Based on this observation it isn't too outrageous to think of the FDA as "legal drug pushers/pimps" and while I do agree it's better than nothing I can't help but wonder about their intentions.

I don't know about you, but when I think about life on this planet it doesn't involve taking a pill every day. A vitamin or supplement maybe, since the food industry prefers preparation that strips most food of their vital nutrients. You would have to eat a lot more than you could stand to get the kind of nutrition your body needs, so supplements and vitamins make a lot of sense.

The FDA can't make companies find a cure but until I see more "complete" cures (such as Polio which was basically eradicated off the face of the earth) I'll continually question the intentions of every drug company and the FDA. We don't need prolonged life or a pill we take every day. We need wellness, we need health, and as it stands we just aren't getting it. We're getting "treatments" but no cures and I almost question whether or not they're even trying. It doesn't make much business since and you can't divorce the business from the drug industry or else there'd be no drug industry.
July 27, 2005 6:55 PM
 

Axiom said:

FYI, most pharmaceutical companies are actually multi-industry. If, by some impossible miracle, all diseases that people were willing to pay money were eradicated, they'd close down those divisions and focus on making shampoo, snackfood, hairdryers, etc. If you walk through their company stores, it's quite an emporium (the employee discount is DEFINITELY worth something).

Many of the "nutrient" points are mentioned specifically on the "25 Ways to spot quacks and vitamin pushers" page:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/spotquack.html

Another FYI, the largely eradicated polio was stomped by herd immunity: enough people in the US were immunized by vaccine that it was unable to survive.

However, anti-vaxers have caused a pronounced rise in polio around the world.

http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/05/polio-returns-thanks-to-anti.html
July 27, 2005 7:39 PM
 

Scott said:

Even if there were cures for all of the terminal diseases known to man, the drug companies could live comfortably on the sales of treatments for chronic, non-curable illnesses.

July 27, 2005 9:06 PM
 

Peter said:

RE: those burps from the sewers of hell...
I've found that if oil is rancid, and sometimes, I can't smell the rancidity, but my ex was able to, I'd end up with nasty burps from Chtuhlu all day long from potato chips, or even olive oil that hadn't been refrigerated.

I'm ambivalent on the omega-3, or fish oil stuff, I keep them in the fridge to keep from going off.

And I usually recommend reading:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1585421391/
August 1, 2005 5:30 PM
 

Truthseeker. said:

Actually...

Many of you are just as guilty as the products and industry you criticize...

Here is where the test results are for anyone interested in the TRUTH:
http://www.nutrasource.ca/files/Dr._Andrew_Weil,_Batch_1966,_Jan_5th,_2005.pdf

The Weil Omega-3s are tested independently of the manufacturer who packages them by the INTERNATIONAL FISH OIL STANDARDS PROGRAM. Unfortunately, there is no controversy here or conspiracy. Just a man trying to make superior quality products with a purpose, as all of the after tax profits from the sale of Weil products go to charity!

To all of you IDIOTS who criticize...Do a little research and open your eyes before you BASH!
August 5, 2005 4:23 PM
 

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