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Bad, but very entertaining, liars

We've all met people who don't mind blatantly lying to our faces about things we already know a lot about. And I'm not talking about obscure things like the airspeed of African swallows or anything like that, but rather the sorts of things many of us grow up with: Cars, computers, this/that/theotherthing.

I meet at least two or three geeks each year who try to tell me all about this thing called ".NET" and how it's going to change development on the Amiga forever.

Yeah. Thanks for the tip.

They lie in really obvious ways, and they think you can't tell. It's like cats who sit under chairs - they think they're invisible, but you know what? They aren't.

Yesterday morning, I was meeting with a representative from the headhunting firm I've teamed up with here in New London. He wanted to treat me to a donut and a cup of coffee before my first day of work (which went swimmingly well, thankyouverymuch).

I got to the donut shop before he did, and some guy inside saw me pull up in my Mini. I get a lot of questions about it, so I'm pretty used to people walking up to me to ask if I like it/am scared to drive it/wish I had a big SUV instead/feel like a pansy in such a girly car. The answers, of course, are "Yes," "No," "No," and "No." I'm used to answering these questions.

Anyway, as I was about to say before I was so rudely interrupted by that tangent back there, some guy walked up to me and started asking questions about the car. I got the usual ones: "How much was it?" "Is it safe to drive next to semis in that?" "Aren't you afraid the wind's going to blow it away?" "Do you have a little poodle with pink ribbons in its fur to match?" "Do you think I should paint my kitchen aqua or fuchsia?"

After the barrage of IQ challenging questions that hit the hard issues, making me feel like Martha Stewart before some panel of important people who know a lot about money, the guy started to just blatantly lie.

He said one thing that certainly could be true: He bought a green Mini Cooper S in 1966 for $2,300. This doesn't seem at all outrageous. I'm willing to accept this as fact. I'd feel better if he had been able to produce the car's birth certificate, or a fender, or anything demonstrating ownership, but the fact itself isn't so crazy that I wouldn't believe it even without any evidence.

What he told me next was that crazy. You might not think so, but then you might not be a car dork like I am.

He told me that he used to drag race other cars at stoplights. That's fine. I can accept that just as easily as I can the fact that he bought a Mini Cooper S in 1966 for $2,300. That's OK. Stoplight racing in a stock Mini Cooper S seems like a weird sissy thing to do, but it's still possible. I mean, he might have cleaned up in towns that had heavy moped populations, for example.

It's the cars he claimed to beat that had me wanting to "cross examine" him, or whatever it is that actors do to other actors on those fancy evening court dramas that are so popular right now (I hate those stupid shows - when did lawyers and doctors become the modern age equivalents of mythic heroes like Odysseus and Aeneus (not that I liked either of them, either - I hate all that stupid intellectual snob Greek/Latin crap)).

He claimed, get this, that he was racing Pontiac GTOs and beating them.

Oh, really.

He told me all about it.

"And then a'hd put 'er in seckhund and, dang, she jewst took off lahk a horse with a spurr in 'is ass."

OK. He didn't talk like that. I'm the one who's doing the lying now, but the lie is much more interesting than the reality, so let's just deal with it. I wish you'd get off my back. Jesus.

The problem, of course, is that 1966, if I recall correctly, was one of the years of the 389 Tri-Power engine for the GTO, and it made for quite a quick car. I don't remember the exact stats, but I'm fairly certain that the engine put out something around 350 horsepower with an ungodly amount of torque to go along with it.

The Mini, on the other hand, even the "high performance" "S" model, only put out about 2.8 horsepower (many people outfitted their Minis with extra beefy parts that pumped the engine up to double-digit horsepower numbers, but we're talking about stock Minis here - not those lightning fast hot-rodded deathtraps that could reach 60 in under a minute (maybe even without breaking down (or catching on fire))). You couldn't go uphill. If you came to a spot that looked uphill, you had to turn around and drive the other direction until you circumvented the entire globe, eventually winding up where you wanted to go, having driven downhill the entire way.

OK. That last part could only really happen in an M. C. Escher painting, but I'm trying to make this interesting. Could you just lay off with your constant nitpicking? Gawd.

So this guy wanted me to believe that he was racing GTOs and beating them in his stock Mini Cooper S.

He may have purchased it in 1966 for $2,300 and driven it off the showroom floor the same day, but, I promise you, he didn't beat any GTOs unless the other drivers happened to be dead. Even then, it'd be a struggle. A dead guy could fall on the gas pedal with enough gusto to clean up in a straight-line race. With the Turbo-Hydramatic automatic transmission that came in the Pontiacs of the time, he wouldn't even have to worry about shifting - the smoothest automatic transmission ever made would take care of everything for him.

The guy was a freaking liar, and he was lying right to my face.

All that said, I love these people. I'd never want to be one, and I never argue with them since I think they should be allowed to live out their little fantasies in the same way that I think people should be allowed to believe in astrology and think that mushrooms and pork are fit for human consumption, but they sure are fun to talk to.

It's just that their total lack of shame is really something. I'm impressed at how little they think other people know.

They really have some balls, anyway, if no grasp on reality.

Do you know people like this? I get the feeling that they might be an endless source of entertainment.

Published Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:05 AM by Rory

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Sean said:

Hilarious! Even the new Mini, like yours for example, couldn't beat a GTO. The Cooper comes with 115 hp, I think, and the Cooper S is 160 or so.

Maybe these are the same people that think the Amiga is going to come back and take the world by storm...
March 24, 2004 12:19 AM
 

Rory said:

Sean -

"Hilarious! Even the new Mini, like yours for example, couldn't beat a GTO."

In terms of 60s era vehicles, I think my Cooper might be neck-and-neck with a Volkswagen Bus :)

It's a slooooooow, but extraordinarily cute, car.
March 24, 2004 12:24 AM
 

MilesArcher said:

I have three words for him:

Front Wheel Drive
March 24, 2004 12:28 AM
 

Avonelle Lovhaug said:

"I'd never want to be one, and I never argue with them since I think they should be allowed to live out their little fantasies in the same way that I think people should be allowed to believe in astrology and think that mushrooms and pork are fit for human consumption, but they sure are fun to talk to."

For some reason, when I read this I thought of this story:

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstoriesny_story_083125148.html

Given that story, I guess it depends on the context. I don't mind if they lie to my face, as long as they don't explain that this is the reason why they let their child die.
March 24, 2004 1:08 AM
 

Ron Green said:

It's better than watching TV. I try to hang out in restaurants where I know they tend to gather. I can spend hours just listening to crap they dish out.
BTW, I pretty sure the 'S' model in 1966 was turbo charged...no, it was rocket powered...yea, that was it, rocket powered.
March 24, 2004 1:20 AM
 

Andy said:

Heh. I know exactly what you mean. There is a guy in a dev group I belong to that for th elongest time tried to tell us he'd seen a nine second VW Bug. Stock VW Bug to be precise. We eventually had to get an engineer to prove to him that it wasn't phsysically possible. You know what though? Even after it was proved to him now he has switched to saying it was still a nine second beetle it just wasn't stock. I guess maybe that's possible if they hurled it from a steam catapault off an aircraft carrier. You just can't reason with these people. I'm not even a car nut, I just grew up on a farm fixing stuff, if you couldn't fix it, it went to the back pasture because there wasn't anywhere to take it to. I think these people live on an alternate planet where super fast mini's and nine second bugs are the norm.
March 24, 2004 2:12 AM
 

Joe Duffy said:

It's even more entertaining to challenge their lunacy - slightly, don't blow their cover entirely - to see how deep of a hole they'll dig. I think these people don't even realize how crazy they are... they start with a small "white lie," and it quickly snowballs into some story about how, one day when they were cool, they and a few of their buddies crafted a spaceship from balloons, condoms, and candy wrappers that did the 1/4 mile in less time than a Bugatti.
March 24, 2004 2:33 AM
 

Art said:

Nine second beetles! Oh, man, that was one of the holy grails for automotive liars in high school. The other favorite was the 200 mph Dodge Charger. Some kid who bought his car for $2500 (in the late '80s) and "did lots of unverifiable-but-unlikely modifications" (blueprinting, porting, boring-over, etc.) was always yammering about hitting the nines ("high nines, I mean" when you'll tell him it was BS, as if that makes it completely plausible) or taking his piece of crap car to 200mph.

It's so unsatisfying to challenge them, unfortunately, or at least they'd serve some useful purpose.
March 24, 2004 4:42 AM
 

Shannon J Hager said:

Yeah, I know a few of these people. My last boss was one. They are entertaining as long as 2 factors are satisfied: they are not preventing you from doing something important and they have no power over you at all.

While occassionally entertaining [like hearing about his lazer-powered motion detector that would kill a man if they did not heed the machine's 3rd warning, I'm not kidding, he told this one twice], my boss's lies were a great source educational motivation because he would lie to our customers/clients about what was possible and then I/we would be forced to learn how to make it happen.

March 24, 2004 4:58 AM
 

John said:

I take things that people say on face value. I am an honest person, I generally forget about this thing called dishonesty, even though I'm reminded on a daily basis of how false people are.

I know two people who I could simply describe as compulsive liars. They just invent stories about themselves, and crap on. I simply don't understand it, I think it belies a serious psychological problem. Most of my mates just laugh their bs off, and I guess I do too, but in a sober moment this sort of thing really upsets me.

Why do people lie? I can understand to some extent if it seems necessary to avoid conflict or persecution. Those kinds of lies piss me off to some extent, but not the all out fiction that some people tell you about what they have done.

The other type of dishonesty that I really hate is a refusal to answer. When you know someone has an opinion about something and they refuse to tell you what it is. That drives me insane.

Billy Joel is the man if you want to hear about the honesty theme. Honesty and Code of Silence are both great songs.
March 24, 2004 5:44 AM
 

Dominic Cronin said:

All the same - some years ago I used to hang out with a guy who was a mini nut. He had the basic 1275 engine bored out to 1300 or so and the thing was tuned for go-faster. The fun part was that it was painted (badly) in matt black and it basically looked like shit. We'd sit at the traffic lights with four guys (and that's crowded) and look up at the guys in the car alongside (usually some hot hatch that was a lot newer and more expensive) and then Keith would "hit the gas" and leave them standing - with four of us in the car!!

I don't know about Pontiacs or how much difference the extra mods really make, but that was for real
March 24, 2004 8:28 AM
 

Steve Loughran said:

I managed to overtake a landrover in my 995C mini once. But I did have to pull the choke out to get an extra power boost, as the accelerator pedal wasn't enough.

One thing the first 1960 cooper models could do was break their wheels on corners; it turned out that the wheels could give before traction failed, which comes from using recycled tin cans for the wheel parts presumably.
March 24, 2004 8:54 AM
 

Anonymous Constant Nitpicker said:

"circumvented the entire globe"

I beleive the word you are looking for is circumnavigated. I guess either could work, but circumnavigated makes more sense to me.

-ACN.
March 24, 2004 1:37 PM
 

Phil Scott said:

I took a '67 corvette in a Mini once. Of course, we were playing Gran Turismo and my friends are far too stupid to realize that a rear wheel drive vehicle with that much horse power and that much weight won't exactly be the type of car you keep the gas pegged through corners. So as they'd spin out in the grass (again, having the wheel turned all the way to the left red lining the car is probably not the wisest thing to do) while I tooled across the course at a smooth 70mph.

I told my girlfriend the secret of the WRX and Lancer being super easy to drive, and pretty quick to boot and they were simply destroying my friends.

And while I'm not certain, I think a Mini Cooper could theoretically take a GTO off the line simply based on weight alone. And assuming that you didn't go over 55 MPH, you might be in good shape. Of course, I'm an idiot when it comes to cars.
March 24, 2004 1:45 PM
 

Rory said:

Ron -

"BTW, I pretty sure the 'S' model in 1966 was turbo charged"

You could beef it up yourself, but none of the multiple S models put out in 1966 had anything but normally aspirated engines.

A lot of people stuck superchargers on them to get them in shape for autocrossing and rallying, but the stock car put out, tops, around 70 HP (or something like that).
March 24, 2004 2:26 PM
 

Rory said:

Anon Nitpicker -

"I beleive the word you are looking for is circumnavigated"

You're totally right.

And, I believe the word *you're* looking for is "believe." ;)
March 24, 2004 2:34 PM
 

Rory said:

Andy -

"I guess maybe that's possible if they hurled it from a steam catapault off an aircraft carrier."

I'm still laughing from the mental image.

It's so satisfying :)

I see the VW, lined up for take-off, getting tossed off the carrier, flip-flopping a few times, and then going down in the drink. Maybe the person's even operating the wipers so that they send "SOS" back to the deck.

How wonderful :)
March 24, 2004 2:36 PM
 

Rory said:

Art -

"other favorite was the 200 mph Dodge Charger"

They might have been confusing the Charger with the Superbird/Daytona which *could* pass 200 mph if properly tuned and properly geared.

That was the nutty looking Mopar with the enormous wing-to-end-all-wings on the back. They didn't make very many, though (although you can find plenty of fakes).
March 24, 2004 2:37 PM
 

Rory said:

Steve L. -

"One thing the first 1960 cooper models could do was break their wheels on corners"

The one thing it *could* do?

Sounds like quite the feature :)
March 24, 2004 2:38 PM
 

Rory said:

Phil -

"And while I'm not certain, I think a Mini Cooper could theoretically take a GTO off the line simply based on weight alone."

I spent quite a few of my teen/early adult years driving a 1970 Trans-Am that had guts very similar to those of a GTO, and there's no way the Mini is going to take on off the line provided that each driver knew what (s)he was doing.

The 60s/70 Pontiacs had a *lot* of torque. In the Trans-Am, which was stock and had an automatic transmission, I could floor it at about 35-40 and still chirp the tires. For a stock vehicle, that's a lot of oomph, and that oomph came in handy at the stoplight.

Sure, if you totally gassed it and sat there spinning your wheels, then you'd get taken by a Yugo to 30, but you tried not to do that :) Depressing the gas pedal about halfway was just the right amount to get you moving *immediately*. One thing that a big V-8 has that a smaller 4-cylinder doesn't is extremely good throttle response.

I drove a turbo-charged 4-cylinder that could take just about everything I encountered on the road, but the catch was that the race had to get going faster than 30 - the thing was s dog off the line, but went nuts in mid/high speeds, whereas the Trans-Am started to poop out a bit once you hit 70 (might have been the gearing - I don't know).

Actually, hitting the gas in the 4-cylinder caused almost no response at all. There was always a slight delay.

So, yeah. I'm rambling, but the point is that you'll get better throttle response with an 8-cylinder, and given a good amount of torque with a non-psycho foot on the gas pedal, you can get off the line instantaneously.
March 24, 2004 2:45 PM
 

Peter said:

Rory,

I just got this mental image of you pacing about the courtroom in cowboy boots and a fancy suit.

"Are you telling me that your 1966 Metallic Mint Green Mini Cooper S, that YOU bought for $2,300 is capable of racing Pontiac GTOs and beating them? I find it hard to believe that this is possible.

Is this some king of magic Mini Cooper? Do the laws of physics cease to exist inside your engine block?"
March 24, 2004 3:27 PM
 

Phil Scott said:

No matter what you wrote after "I spent quite a few of my teen/early adult years driving a 1970 Trans-Am that had guts very similar to those of a GTO" would register in my brain, because it was too busy rendering you with a mullet and a leather jacket.

The internet begs of you to post a picture of this trans-am with you posing next to it with the colar turned up. And we all know that one exists.
March 24, 2004 3:52 PM
 

Rory said:

Phil -

"it was too busy rendering you with a mullet and a leather jacket."

Quick breakdown of the hair:

Ages 12-14: Mullet/Parker Lewis do.

Ages 15-17: Long hair - kept in pony tail.

Ages 18-Present: Good hair.

The ages you're interested in fall in the 15-17 span, and, yes, I *did* have long hair when I drove the Trans-Am. I also had a black leather jacket, so you're close, but the mullet had been gone for a year before the Trans-Am came on the scene.

"The internet begs of you to post a picture of this trans-am with you posing next to it with the colar turned up. And we all know that one exists."

I've *never* done the collar-turning-up thing. I really don't approve of it in the slightest.

The only pictures of me with the car are back in Portland, and I actually look fairly normal in them - clean, closely-cropped bleached hair.

Sorry :( Never got any white-trash photos of me with the Trans-Am.

However, if we step back a year, there *are* some pretty trashy photos of me in a 1968 Pontiac Bonneville convertible, although they're also back in Portland.

You're out of luck, my friend :)
March 24, 2004 4:18 PM
 

Phil Scott said:

Man, no mullet but you had a Trans-Am? Very strange. I thought you got like an insurance discount for having a mullet. Perhaps I'm thinking of the Pontiac Firebird or a Camaro.

You'd think being from kentucky I'd be an expert in white trash stereotypes, but I guess the moral of the story, as always, is that I'm oblivous to everything around me.
March 24, 2004 4:31 PM
 

Ron Green said:

I was only kidding about the turbo charging.
March 24, 2004 6:04 PM
 

Rory said:

Phil -

"Man, no mullet but you had a Trans-Am? ... Perhaps I'm thinking of the Pontiac Firebird or a Camaro."

Are you sure you're from Kentucky?

A Trans-Am is a Firebird on steroids. They came with extra testosterone and a coybow hat.
March 24, 2004 6:18 PM
 

Rory said:

Ron -

"I was only kidding about the turbo charging."

Crap :)

Well, it *could've* been real...
March 24, 2004 6:19 PM
 

shiggins said:

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

I have a lying, entertaining fried exactly like that. Once he was weaving us a tale (aka telling us how his day went) and when I rolled my eyes at him he replied "If I'm lying, I'll take my own scrotum off and wear it as a shower cap!"

-shiggins
March 24, 2004 6:34 PM
 

Mun said:

LOL. Reminds me of a story I read years ago online by a dude who claimed his Ford Fiesta beat a McLaren F1 in a drag race at a traffic light :-)

Totally unbelievable! You'd think they'd try and make it a *bit* realistic... :-)
March 24, 2004 8:43 PM
 

Marc said:

I read your story. But I don't believe a word of it...













;-)
March 24, 2004 9:50 PM
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