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Things are getting interesting over at Christopher Anthony's blog where the title has recently been changed from “Christopher Anthony's Linux Blog“ to “Christopher Anthony's Computing Blog.“

It looks like he's giving Windows a shot. While I don't expect him to actually become a dedicated Windows user any sooner than I'll become a dedicated Linux user, it is nice to see that he's at least making an effort to see what's on the "other side of the fence." Making arguments about things you don't understand (Windows, for example) will just damage your credibility and people won't even care what you have to say about Linux. All in all, I think this is a good move for Christopher because it will strengthen his position no matter what.

We've been emailing back and forth over the past couple days, and it's been odd. One email will be a totally scathing yelling match that's pointing fingers about FUD, while the next will be a perfectly civil exchange about what command line tools a Linux user might like to install on Windows to feel "more at home" (I say CygWin, but that's just one opinion).

I expect the next several weeks to just get more interesting. I'm curious to see how Christopher will approach his experiences with Microsoft tools and technologies - hopefully without the politics. I understand that the politics are important to Christopher, but the question here is what kind of technical merit he'll find in Windows.

Yup. I'm going to be watching. Commenting, too, now that Christopher has turned them on :)

Published Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:13 AM by Rory

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Chris Sells said:

He shouldn't install *any* Unix-like command line tools on Windows. They're a crutch to really understand the Windows experience. He should do what Windows users do, e.g. Find in Files instead of grep, notepad or VS.NET instead of emacs, etc.
March 31, 2004 1:31 AM
 

Rory said:

Chris -

"He shouldn't install *any* Unix-like command line tools on Windows. They're a crutch to really understand the Windows experience"

I totally agree, but I figure that if he's *brand-new* to the world of Windows, he might be blinking a bit and trying to focus.

I'm sure he'll make it.

If he doesn't, though, then he'll have never really tried Windows...
March 31, 2004 1:38 AM
 

paul said:

I don’t know Rory, we’ve all heard of alter-egos, split-personalities, multi-personalities, and we all know you have had a traumatic manic month. So maybe, just maybe you and "Christopher" are two halves of one brain…....some people will do anything to get slash-dot-ed!!!
March 31, 2004 1:45 AM
 

vbNullString said:

The problem, I believe, has been that he had never tried Windows. And he blindly bashes Windows without knowing much about it.

At least I tried Linux. I like Linux, but I happen to like Windows better and I'm used to it. If Linux can make me more productive and get things done better than Windows, I would change my OS to Linux in a second. If Linux platform could allow me to create applications easier than Windows, again, I would try to persuade my boss.

My point is Chris Anthony should broaden his view of computing by trying things out, and I'm glad he is doing that right now. Yeah, Windows does cost some money, but if you can get a lot out of it, it's cheap.

BTW, what did you say to Chris Anthony to actuall persuade him to try out Windows? I'm just curious.
March 31, 2004 1:46 AM
 

Stuart said:

Stay away from CygWin -- go for MS SFU 3.5
March 31, 2004 1:56 AM
 

Joe Duffy said:

Game up - I call the bluff. The game is fixed. It's so obvious. This "Chris Anthony" guy is obviously ChrisAn in disguise.

I can see the press release now: "Linux zealot turned Windows purist by .NET talk show hosts."

Riiight...

;)
March 31, 2004 2:08 AM
 

Rory said:

Paul -

"just maybe you and "Christopher" are two halves of one brain"

Easily disproven: My brain has *three* hemispheres. If you want your theory to work, you're going to have to come up with a plausible personality for the third half.

Ha! That's willses teaches him, prrrreeeecccioouussssss....
March 31, 2004 2:16 AM
 

Ian said:

MKS Toolkit. it's not free, but its worked for us for many years.
March 31, 2004 2:19 AM
 

Rory said:

vbNullString -

"BTW, what did you say to Chris Anthony to actuall persuade him to try out Windows? I'm just curious."

I didn't persuade him. We just exchanged points, and I think he sees the value in "knowing one's enemy."

All he'd have to do is look over the comments here to see that his pro-Linux arguments weren't working in the wake of his seriously bad anti-Windows rants. Learning more about Windows will make him a stronger soldier in the army of Linus because he won't begin and end his arguments with zero credibility.

Either way, he'll know more, and he'll know the things he *should* know when he's getting ready to bash.

You might think it's a little weird that I should encourage him to use Windows just to strengthen his Linux stance, but I guess that's just an index of how confident I am of XP/Longhorn :)
March 31, 2004 2:20 AM
 

Rory said:

Stuart, my man -

"Stay away from CygWin"

The only reason I suggest CygWin is that you can snag a good subset of the more useful packages in the GNU Tools collection.

Can you do that with Services for Unix? I've never used it...
March 31, 2004 2:22 AM
 

Anonymous said:

GnuWin32 (http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/) is my favourite place to get GNU tools if I can't/don't want to install CygWin or Virtual PC.
March 31, 2004 2:53 AM
 

Randy said:

Well, this could a whole run of posts on my site... :)
March 31, 2004 3:20 AM
 

Stuart Laughlin said:

"The only reason I suggest CygWin is that you can snag a good subset of the more useful packages in the GNU Tools collection.
Can you do that with Services for Unix? I've never used it..."

I honestly don't know, but I bet you can do that with SFU. I've used it very minimally; really just to play with the g++ compiler on Windows. But it's freaky cool. So cool it scares me a little, in fact.

I just know that I've heard a lot of CygWin users lament that it tends to sodomize one's Windows installation.

Besides, I couldn't resist recommending MSFT's UNIX implementation to the likes of Chris A. :)
March 31, 2004 7:14 AM
 

Sven Groot said:

The only real problem is that he's installed SP2. A *beta* service pack. I'm in the SP2 beta, and RC1 is hardly prime-time ready software, so he's bound to run into trouble, which will distort his view of XP.
March 31, 2004 8:17 AM
 

anonymouse said:

Wow, Rory, I'm impressed... the Linuxorcist?
March 31, 2004 9:12 AM
 

Marc said:

I recommend unixtools.

I'm a windows-user all the way, but I've found that certain things are more easily done on the command line, and certain commands lack from windows. I can't say you miss all of the windows experience not from seeing that annoying dog in winxp when you search (atleast the first time) :-)
March 31, 2004 2:58 PM
 

bliz said:

You ought to think about a 30 minute segment on DNR: an interview with Christopher Anthony.
March 31, 2004 5:17 PM
 

NJ John said:

"You ought to think about a 30 minute segment on DNR: an interview with Christopher Anthony."

LOL... In my head, I'm hearing the "Google Weirdos" theme re-done:

"Zealots, Zealots Zealots (Linux Zealots)
Zealots, Zealots Zealots (Linux Zealots)"
March 31, 2004 5:40 PM
 

Chris A. said:

Sven,

In answer to your question on your blog, I bought the full version of Windows XP which and I bought the copy of Visual Studio .NET from a used Computer/Book store, I went in there to buy a copy of a book on C# and VB they had it in their selection. If it has been pirated I dont know and could care less because right now I have the seal of authenticity. I did not know the .NET Framework came with Visual Studio .NET and my list comprised of only 2 items i bought the rest was aquired from my GF who I have mentioned happens to be a BeOS fanatic and a Windows user.
March 31, 2004 6:55 PM
 

Sven Groot said:

Ya know, I have comments on my blog too! Although I guess posting it here suits me equally well, since it'll direct people to my blog ^_^

Second hand it's possible, and I suppose there'll probably be stores that have special discounts or whatever. Rereading my post I think I may have been more tired than I thought, I come off a little cranky...

It's still not clear which version of VS.NET you're using? 2003 I hope, since 2002 can only produce apps for .Net 1.0, you'll need 2003 to develop for 1.1. VS.NET 2002, being basically a first release product (even though it's technically VS 7.0) also still has a few nuisances that VS.NET 2003 ironed out for the most part.

In any case, you still shouldn't have installed XPSP2. It's beta, and unless you're a) a Microsoft external beta site, b) an IT pro evaluating the pre-release software so (s)he can better inform management about deployment decisions once it goes gold or c) an MS zealot who always must have the latest version of every line of code MS ever produces, and I don't suppose you fit either category. ;) Chances are the blue-screen (which aren't actually called blue-screens in NT/2000/XP/2003, but STOP errors) resulted from running beta code.

And lastly, you mentioned you like emacs (so do I, although I hate switching between emacs and other stuff, I always start confusing keyboard shortcuts). There's several Windows ports of emacs out there: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryWThirtyTwo

You renamed your blog "Computing Blog"...
March 31, 2004 7:50 PM
 

NJ John said:

Is this the scene in "Top Gun" Carl talks about, where at the end of the day Val Kilmer tells Tom Cruise "you're alright, kid" ... or something like that?

I'm starting to feel the love.

March 31, 2004 9:06 PM
 

Chris A. said:

Sven,

It was VS .NET 2002. Laci went to her college bookstore and they had a few copies of VS.NET Academic left so she went ahead and got me a copy. For evalutory purposes I think Academic will work fine. If I decide to take up .NET programming professionally I will just buy the Pro version. I have installed it and will post my thoughts on it this evening.
March 31, 2004 10:20 PM
 

Chris A. said:

Oh its Academic 2003 by the way.
March 31, 2004 10:21 PM
 

Tim Mustain said:

All I can say is wow - hats off to Rory - ever consider a new career in sales? :-)
April 1, 2004 6:09 PM
 

vbNullString said:

April 2, 2004 6:16 AM
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