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Another Christmas has come and gone.

[insert here: long story about familial dysfunction]

[insert here: long story about physical malady]

[insert here: long story about holiday traffic]

So, with that crap out of the way, I can get on with what was good about Christmas this year.

At the top of my list is a lunch that I had with Aydika, her mother, and her mother’s boyfriend. We were driving down to Eugene, Oregon, to spend Christmas Eve with Aydika’s sister, and we all agreed to meet up for some chow along the way.

I was asking Aydika’s mother, who is Japanese, about some Japanese customs. We had gotten onto the subject when I busted out with some of my (very) poor Japanese.

Here’s a little tip from me to you: If you’re a stupid white guy who wants to get some conversation going with Japanese people, then just whip out a “koneecheewa” or something. Guaranteed, you’ll butcher the word so badly that the Japanese people present will do anything to avoid having to speak directly about what you’ve done to their language, and this can lead down some interesting conversational roads.

After saying something like “Watashi wa takosu desu ka?” (this means: “Am I an octopus salad?”) Aydika’s mother quickly changed the subject to greetings in Japan.

What I learned, and I’m still reeling from the pleasure that arose from the acquisition of this information, is that a traditional greeting in Japan goes something like this…

[Scene: A small home in a Japanese village. Guest arrives at the door to home and is greeted by his host, a Japanese man. Conversation follows.]

Host: Welcome to my home. It is small and ugly.

Guest: Your home may be small, but I imagine that sunlight falls pleasantly through its windows during the summer.

Host: I would rather kill myself in a ritual suicide than agree with that remark. Please come inside.

[guest enters home, following host]

Host: This is my wife. She is stupid.

Guest: Your wife may be stupid, but she looks to have the strength of ten oxen.

Host: You flatter her. I would also like you to meet these pigs, my children.

Guest: They look well fed. They will grow to be strong.

Host: If I do not kill them by my own hand!

And so on.

The general pattern is this: The host says something “humble” about his life, and then the guest counters it with cheerful little platitudes.

The crazy thing is that the embellishment here is very minor. I was laughing (in a culturally respectful way, of course (got to keep HR off my back)) for about three hours after hearing this.

Summarized, the traditional greeting is this: “Hey. How’s it going? This is my dump, my stupid wife, and my pig-children. Come inside. Let me get you a cup of coffee. If it’s too dirty for you in here, then just let me know and I’ll commit hari-kari.”

I called Chris to tell him about this, but he didn’t think it was very funny:

Of course. Their culture is grown up and mature compared to ours, still crawling on its hands and knees in its swaddling clouts, barely a pace from its mother’s swelling, nursing teat. I would expect the various social interactions among the people of Japan to represent the complexity that might arise from elaborate traditions that have been handed down through the generations, year after year, as they have in the country which flies its flag of the rising sun. By the way, can you tell me how to make C# go “beep”?

I was a little bummed at Chris’s maturity here, and so decided to share the tidbit with you, counting on your relative lack of sophistication to pull the story through.

Enjoy.

Published Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:46 AM by Rory

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Judah Gabriel said:

When I was a kid I remember my grandmother getting a movie from our little library, I think it was called "The Good Earth". The movie was set in the orient, back in the good ol' days, etc., and the custom portrayed in the movie showed a marriage party guests insulting the cooking of the new wife.

Anywho, my thinking here goes: because I saw it on TV, it must be true. So please, visit my crappy blog; if you don't like it, I'll commit hara-kiri. Or maybe just dress up like Haray Caray...holy cow, Cubs win, Cubs win.
December 28, 2004 5:25 AM
 

Tony Alderman said:

After living in Eugene for several years, I decided to take a Japanese night-class at the community college. (There were no computer-related user-groups in Eugene, so this seemed like a good alternative). Reading your experiences brings back the memories of discovery and excitement that I had. I enjoyed learning the language and culture, but kanji was a brick wall for me. I remember the teacher telling us how she used to cook her egg in the morning when she was younger – by burying it in her hot steamed rice. I guess it didn’t always cook all the way and she would have to eat it raw. Yuk.
December 28, 2004 5:54 AM
 

Joe Duffy said:

Why, Console.Beep() of course - the most important new feature of Whidbey! Oh... wait... something about Japanese culture?
December 28, 2004 6:02 AM
 

Rory said:

Joe -

"Why, Console.Beep() of course..."

Smart ass :)

I was talking about *legacy* versions.
December 28, 2004 6:08 AM
 

David Appledore said:

well my mrs is Japanese shes been here so long, England, when she returns to Japan she speaks to her own people in English and forgets shes in Japan and her family call her a strange foreigner.
December 28, 2004 12:35 PM
 

paul said:

December 28, 2004 12:54 PM
 

Steve said:


My favorite Japanese word (learned from a cute Japanese girl back in college) is "Hi". Try saying "hi" to a Japanese girl in a bar sometime and you might get smacked. It means "Yes".
December 28, 2004 2:36 PM
 

Nils Jonsson said:

Rory, you should read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0449908100/njonsson" title="Dave barry Does Japan (1992) at Amazon.com"><cite>Dave Barry Does Japan</cite></a>. It&rsquo;s got a lot of stuff like this in it that will make you soil your undershorts with amusement.
December 28, 2004 4:20 PM
 

Geoff Snowman said:

I realize you were just being ironic, but I can't help myself:

1. In VS 2003, create a C# Windows Application.
2. Add Reference to Microsoft Visual Basic .NET Runtime
3. Draw a large, colorful button. (The larger the button the better it sounds. Pink has the best tone.)
4. Write this code:

private void button1_Click(object sender, System.EventArgs e)
{
Microsoft.VisualBasic.Interaction.Beep();
}
December 28, 2004 5:02 PM
 

In Reverence said:

Paul - it's so beautiful! Wall-mounting beautiful. Bowing, palms pressed together at heart beautiful. Burn candles at the foot of while gingerly plucking guitars and singing hymns to beautiful. It's just...beautiful man.
December 28, 2004 6:56 PM
 

Mike Dimmick said:

http://www.pinvoke.net/print.aspx/kernel32.Beep

You'll need the unmanaged code security permission, of course.
December 28, 2004 8:03 PM
 

Ian said:

Rory -

"I was talking about *legacy* versions"

So..

procedure division.
display "hello world" with BEEP
stop run.

Look at that - "Hello world" AND a beep - hows that for a Christmas gift?
December 29, 2004 12:44 AM
 

Peter Marshall said:

So it should go something like this.

Ahhhhh soh
Welcome to my hunble blog, the throughts are random crap and I cant spell.

December 29, 2004 8:44 AM
 

Toby Henderson said:

Well I think it is funny, and would piss myself laughing too, that type of thing really amuses me, and hell I’ll still be laughing 20 years from now about it. Having been to Japan a few times, it does amuse me how when you ask a simple question like "does the hire car come with insurance" and it is translated they say tons to each other (1 and a half minutes I timed them) then answer you with simple "yes". Straight out of lost in translation kills me every time.

I'd also say Chris is wrong, they are one of the most f**cked up nations I've met. They have warped their traditions and their sense of honour, since the Americans bombed them. You would think they would be Buddhist (Shinto) in their ways but they are so far from that it is not funny, try finding a vegetarian restaurant there....
December 29, 2004 11:06 AM
 

Randy said:

If I remember correctly, there's no word in Japanese for "No", but there are several thousand ways to say "I'm sorry"... it's all about face, god luv'm.
December 29, 2004 1:28 PM
 

Philip Rieck said:

So, I decided to become a mature culture myself, and use this type of greeting on the next person that came to the door. It seemed to work well.

[doorbell] Ding drngggggg *Chck* (need to get that fixed)

[Me] Hello, my apologies for not answering the door quickly. May I attempt to help you?

[12 year old girl with popcorn] Umm.. I have the popcorn you ordered.

[Me] I am sure this popcorn is much too good to be admitted to my ugly and pitiful house.

[12yogwp] Umm... you don't want it? But you ordered it.

[Me] I would like it very much, but I am sure that I am not worthy to recieve it.

[12yogwp] Umm.. can I get a check for $18?

[My son] Pop!

[Me] Forgive my son, who is a great disapointment to me, and should learn to be silent. I will cast him out of my house if he has offended you.

[12yogwp] Isn't he 2?

[Me] He is. Your memory is wonderful, and should be praised.

[12yogwp] Can I get that check, then?

[Me] Here (handing check). I hope that my horrible handwriting is acceptable to you.

[12yogwp] Well, it is hard to read! (nervous giggle, while sliding away from the door)

[Me] I am sorry. Would it please you if I killed myself now?

[12yogwp] (putting down popcorn on edge of porch and running away) Bye!


All in all, pretty good. I feel more mature already. I'd finish this post, but the girl seems to be back with her parents, who must want to sell me the shotgun they're brandishing..

December 29, 2004 3:11 PM
 

Joe Grenier said:


I was told this same thing by a Japanese speaking girlfriend way back when. I thought it was hilarious then and I think it's even funnier described in conversational form. Hah!!! to you Mr. Sells.

So how would one say, "Why yes you are an octopus salad, but not as slimy and unappetizing as most octopus salads one may run across"?
December 30, 2004 3:43 PM
 

Rory said:

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

I hope I am not being too presumptuous in wishing you all a Merry Christmas. If my attempt to wish you well in your holiday festivities has offended you in any manner then I would gladly commit hara-kiri to correct the offensive well wishes of one so lowly as myself.

Merry Christmas everyone hope you have had a great holiday season! You all constantly continue to amaze and astound me with the variety and hilarity of your input and comments. Thank you all very much!
December 31, 2004 6:22 PM
 

Not-Defensive-Just-Clarifying-Aydika said:

Dear Mr. Toby Henderson:

Re: "...they are one of the most f**cked up nations I've met. They have warped their traditions and their sense of honour, since the Americans bombed them. You would think they would be Buddhist (Shinto) in their ways but they are so far from that it is not funny, try finding a vegetarian restaurant there...."

I am not entirely sure what sense of honor has been warped by the fact that you found it difficult to locate a vegetarian restaurant in a country whose main staples are seafood and soy, but in any case, you may find fabulous vegetarian restaraunts in the many Budddhist temples which also serve as room and board for anyone who wishes to stay (and practice with them or not at their pleasure). Kyoto in particular has great many of these.

ALSO, including "(Shinto)" after the word Buddhist would suggest that you are under the impression that these two words refer to the same thing. You are greatly misinformed. Shinto is the native (creationist) religion of Japanese culture, while Buddhism is an adopted spirituality. I understand how they might seem to overlap - and they do, in modern Japan. I suggest the next time you go to Japan, you spend a bit more time investigating the underlying meanings and motives of the culture rather than gleaning what you can from bits of miscommunicated conversation and applying it to Western customs and philosophies. This may assist in making your experience that much more enjoyable, and that much less - how you say? - f**cked up.

December 31, 2004 9:12 PM
 

Anonymous said:

Dear Randy,

Re: "If I remember correctly, there's no word in Japanese for "No", but there are several thousand ways to say "I'm sorry"..."

Actually, the word for "No" is "iie" (pronounced something like "ee-eh.") While it is considered more polite to use a word that suggests difference (chigaou) rather than directly accuse someone of being wrong, "iie" is not infrequent in common Japanese dialogue.

My above two comments do not in any way suggest that the evasiveness and self-depreciation so integral to Japanese language are not hilarious. They are.

It's these silent dances of social interaction that make each culture so foreign to the next; when you don't grow up with the moves, they make no sense. They just look like a bunch of funky, jerky gyrations and hip waggling. Even if someone tells you, "That arm motion sybolizes the rising tide..." it still resembles a spider monkey trying to scratch it's ass in the most inconvenient way possible in your eyes.

And these moves are, entirely, laughable. Especially *because* they do ultimately mean something.
December 31, 2004 9:26 PM
 

John said:

Hello, great article, well presented, lovely.

On the vegetarian issue I have to partially agree with Toby Henderson's comments (although not perhaps the delivery). I too was pretty disappointed on my first trip to Japan at the complete lack of anything vegetarian, particularly given the country's strong Buddhist connections. I have frustratingly met plenty of Japanese "Buddhists" - even some so called monks - who didn't know the first thing about vegetarianism.

...and shojin ryori? As in, the food you get in the Buddhist temples. Hmmmm well my experience of this is that it is (A) often prohibitively expensive and (B) not actually particularly vegetarian. I stayed a night in a temple, got up early to pray with the monks and everything, which, don't get me wrong, was all an amazing experience and everything... but when it came to dinner we had to ask specially for a "no we really do mean vegetarian" version of the meal, and I couldn't help but be surprised by how unusual they found this request. What "a strict vegetarian diet" seems to mean to your average monk is just eating slightly less meat and fish than usual. (Incidentally, people who eat seafood are not vegetarians in my book).

It's a shame really because Japanese food is fundamentally very well suited to a vegetarian diet - if I cook for myself when I'm there I can eat wonderfully. There are loads of ingredients you don't really get anywhere else that are great for vegetarians - even vegans.

Err anyway, sorry I seem to have gone on a bit. Like I said, great article.
January 4, 2005 2:31 PM
 

Jack Lee said:

1: Chris is mixing up china and japan. china is a very old culture. japan is not. not by a long shot. why do you suppose it was so galling to the chinese to be conquered by japan?!!

2: I wouldn't waste too much time describing yourself as a "stupid white guy." The fine lady presumed it, and will always presume it.

3: If you dont understand humility double talk, then you need to study asian culture much much more. Sooner or later you learn to keep you fucking mouth shut.

4: Cultural sensitivity is an affliction of the US educated. As a general rule it is not shared by others. i.e. it's not a level playing field.

yeah, I know, its not supposed to be a competition ....

... but it is ...

and there is not a goddamn thing you can do about it ---> see point 4.
January 11, 2005 9:27 AM
 

Jack Lee said:

I guess you blocked my IP. :-( That's too bad Rory, I expected a little more from you.

BTW my wife is Chinese. My children are half chinese. I've done it all. Traditional chinese wedding. Served the uncles tea. Addressed them all by their traditional titles. Gave my children chinese middle names. Learned to speak cantonese (badly). Steeped myself in hong kong/chinese culture, food, movies, etc. Eaten duck tounge, pork blood, the whole nine yards. I know where those social rituals come from, I understand their purpose, and I can also see their side effects. I'm not disrespectful -- I've just been subjected to the "stupid westener" comment/attitude one time too many. I'm sure your experience will be different from mine.

My apologies if I have offended you, your girlfriend, or your future mother-in-law.

If you want to learn more about Chris's comment, I suggest you read George Sansom: A History of Japan (1958, 3 vols)

January 14, 2005 12:46 AM
 

Rory said:

Jack -

"I guess you blocked my IP. :-( That's too bad Rory, I expected a little more from you."

What are you talking about? What makes you think I blocked your IP?

I've blocked the IP addresses of comment spammers, but no others.
January 14, 2005 3:54 AM
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