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5 out of 5 Doctors Agree: I'm Effing Nuts

You've emailed, left me messages on Xbox Live, phoned, come in by bus, and one guy even drove all the way out here from another state just to find out what in the hell has been going on.

I tried to kill myself last Friday.

As far as opening hooks go, I'm going to have a hard time topping that in future posts. "I just got an interesting operation in Sweden" might engage readers about as strongly, but then I'd have to get an interesting operation in Sweden. I've been suicidal on an off for about half my life, but I've never wanted to get an interesting operation in Sweden. Let's hope for another fifteen years of suicidal ideation without wanting to make me a her.

Now, if you react the way my family and friends have, your initial feeling is going to be one of concern for my well being, but it's unnecessary. I obviously didn't do a good job of bumping myself off. I did manage to knock myself out, but I woke up a few hours later at the bloody hospital. There were wires attached to my body which I suspect had something to do with the beeping. There was a lot of beeping.

I was groggy, but I yanked all the leads off, decided not to mess with the catheter in my arm (it was a tangle of tape and tubes), got up, found my clothes, got dressed, and went to get the answers to a few questions.

I won't tell the whole story here, as I've had to repeat it about ten times this week. Although that doesn't sound like much, I've figured out that it takes thirty-five minutes to recount the events of the day (that I can remember). I'm tired of that part. I didn't plan on having to explain myself, so that's been a pain in the ass.

This all might come as news to some of you. I don't know. While I don't talk about it too openly, I've been thinking about suicide on a daily basis for years. I didn't even realize it was abnormal to have such thoughts until I talked to a few friends and learned that they didn't think about killing themselves while brushing their teeth, driving to work, eating lunch, or whatever. I spent so much time thinking about it that it eventually became a non-event. Part of being alive, at least for me, is thinking about how it might be nicer not to be.

The events that led to the mess I'm in now were actually quite mundane. I didn't announce that I was going to do it. I didn't write a note. I wanted to call my parents and explain to them that this wasn't an anger thing or whatever, and that they shouldn't feel guilty or bad or responsible. I just don't think being alive is all that great. Whatever instinct most people have for self-preservation seems to be conspicuously absent in me. I was willing to stay alive as long as I thought life would improve.

I had spent a few weeks trying very hard to come up with a compelling reason to stick around. I don't have any faith at all, so the whole god thing doesn't appeal to me. I don't have any kids (as far as I know). I don't really care about my stuff. Some people get by on their interest in gadgets, cars, and things, but I just don't care. I like having stuff, but stuff isn't a reason to live.

By the end of Rory's Quest for Meaning, I had two (2) things on my list of reasons to live:

1. Getting to watch season four of BSG.

2. Nachos (not really - but I thought I should have at least two things, so I added something most people seem to enjoy).

The list of reasons not to live was a little longer.

And so my thought process went. The rest of the details aren't important. It was just a bunch of rationalization that ended with "I guess today's the day."

I still believe that suicide is a perfectly legitimate option for people who aren't interested in living, but I don't feel the same way this week as I did last about the amount of thought that ought to go into the decision. I was too comfortable with the idea of not being here, and that made it too easy for me to decide. I also hadn't exhausted all my options as far as life improvements go. I was just tired, and I felt like a failure. My viewpoint was tainted by an obvious bias.

The one thing I hadn't done, and which I should have, was to listen to a diagnosis I've been given year after year by different shrinks and doctors.

I've been told five times now in the past four years that I'm bipolar.

I rejected the idea outright at first because my understanding of bipolar conditions was very narrow. I thought that being bipolar meant extreme ups and extreme downs on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis. Turns out there are many, many different types of bipolar conditions.

The second time I was told, I ignored the diagnosis because, hey, it was only the second time I'd ever been told that, so how accurate could it be?

The third time, I was starting to think that these doctor people might be on to something. But, consensus of opinion aside, I couldn't accept the diagnosis because it would likely mean that, were I to ever have kids, I'd pass it on to them. For all the things I can't stand about living, I've wanted kids for a long time. I probably won't admit it if you ask me - even if you quote this post - but I think it would be a wonderful experience. I'm a self-centered, arrogant, egotistical jack-ass, but it doesn't mean I don't care about other people, or that I wouldn't put the well being of family or friends ahead of my own. I want to be a full time asshole, but the truth is that, like most people who effect an air of apathy and fuck-off-ness, I'm extremely sensitive, sympathetic, compassionate, and, when possible, empathetic. This is the source of a large collection of double-standards I have that confuse and piss off my friends. For example, while it's all right for me to try to kill myself, none of my friends are allowed to even consider the option for themselves. Yeah, I know that contradicts much of what I've said here, but that's what double-standards are all about. I make one choice for myself, and try to restrict others in their options for the same decision.

See the problem?

How could I even pretend to be a responsible parent if I go ahead and have kids with the full knowledge that the likelihood of one or both of them winding up with serious emotional problems was extremely high regardless of how supportive I am?

It's a tough problem. I'm wrapped up in what I do - writing, video stuff, music - but I still think that having kids is the only, if there is any, reason for living. I don't see inherent meaning in anything, but I am constantly astonished by how utterly cool it is that we're basically the universe looking at itself and trying to figure itself out. Even if I think I'm a defective bit of the machinery, I derive some comfort from the belief that others are doing a good job of it.

Ultimately, I accepted that I probably have some kind of bipolar condition, and the ethical dilemma that was previously academic became very real.

It's not the only reason I decided on suicide, but it was a significant factor.

A bigger problem than all of this is the bias I mentioned earlier. I was trying to rationalize my way out of having to get up everyday and expend the energy required to live. In so doing, I found the negative side of every possible treatment for bipolar conditions. If there were two studies on a given medication, I chose to believe the one that portrayed the drug as bleach for the mind (or whatever). Shrinks and doctors suggested so many different treatments, and I decided that these many different treatments were all crap, and that there was no way anybody in my condition could be made to enjoy life.

There was relief in that, as it's tiring - exhausting - to wake up every morning - and to think every morning - about whether or not I want to do it again the next day, and the next day, and the next day... the argument had been going on inside my head for years. It felt good to finally arrive at my choice.

That was a week ago.

As I said, I feel differently now. Tee thinks I've had quite the reality check, and I think she's right. I'm shocked that I did what I did.

A lot has happened in the past seven days. The observant will note I've only talked about three of the five doctors who've told me I'm nuts.

I'll be back to tell the rest of the story, as I did get some good writing material out of this clusterfuck nightmare of a mess.

In the meantime, there's nothing to worry about. As my friend Ariel said in a recent email, "only people with bad hair kill themselves," and my hair is fabulous. That gives me at least one good reason to live.

Another is that Jolene Blalock is fucking hot.

If this universe can produce a Jolene Blalock, then things can't be all that bad.

Tah.

Published Friday, June 29, 2007 5:17 PM by Rory

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Comments

 

Glen said:

Hi Rory. I'm not going to ask how you are doing since you put that forth already in your post. But I send good thoughts in your direction, and somehow in the fabric of the universe those thoughts should resonate across this rocky contentent and do you some good.

I will say that my wife's sister was bipolar and her brother has schizo-affective disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizo-affective_Disorder so he hears voices AND is bipolar. So if you ever want to know more about that from an experience perspective feel free to get in touch with me.

Cheers.
June 29, 2007 6:12 PM
 

kettch said:

ummmm, soooo...

Just an observation, but you are one tough dude. The very fact that you have the courage to tell us this, indicates that you are a whole lot stronger than a lot of people who don't have the testicular fortitude to open themselves up to the world.

You could have just been like "I was sick and didn't feel like typing" or some other BS, but you just told like 6.5 billion people the whole unadulterated truth.

So, I guess all I can say is thank you for sharing. I sincerely hope that you get things sorted out.

On a less friendly note, don't you dare leave us. You alone make up at least 50% of the good hair mojo amongst geeks. Without you to hide behind, we'll all be exposed as the fat, unkempt, weirdos living in our parent's basements that we really are.
June 29, 2007 6:13 PM
 

Papillon said:

Dude, do take care! You may not realise this, but it's not only your kids that (will) care for you:

One of my esteemed colleagues killed himself 2 weeks ago. It's turned my and my other colleagues' lives upside down and we all wish we had had a way of tapping into his head in the split second (apparently, judging from the chronology of the events) that he made his decision.

Aside from that, I'm an atheist (in the Richard Dawkins 6/7 scale) and I too often catch myself thinking there is no point to (my) life and have wondered whether I should put an end to the needless rationalisation.

However, I do realise that in the tiny way that a scientist/researcher/engineer like me can change the world, there may be a little thing I can do for others. And also, I don't really want to hurt anyone in the process of my dying- although, I admit, I *know* that the present and thence the future ends with my death (does that make any sense?).

So, though I wouldn't dream of preaching/ dictating life principles to you, at least, I'd like to leave you with the heartfelt sentiment that yes, despite it all, do please continue to live and contribute.

Long live the RawDogg!

P.
June 29, 2007 6:15 PM
 

Craig said:

For whatever it's worth, I'd miss you if you checked out, dude. I still hope to meet you face-to-face some time. Try to stick around so I can.

From one self-centered, arrogant, egotistical jack-ass to another. :)
June 29, 2007 6:56 PM
 

George said:

Oh rory.
June 29, 2007 7:49 PM
 

Lindsay said:

Rory,

I'm glad you didn't succeed.  I'd miss you, and your hair.  And the world would lose some of its shine.

Sending love and good thoughts your way,
Lindsay
June 29, 2007 7:58 PM
 

Maggie said:

Battlestar Galactica is well worth it right there.

And I'm with the other commenters: don't you DARE leave us here alone!
June 29, 2007 8:26 PM
 

TraumaPony said:

Like Lindsay said, I'm glad you didn't succeed.

You're easily my favourite blogger; if you died, I'd be left reading the blogs of people like Scoble!
June 29, 2007 8:28 PM
 

Jason Cox said:

I'm happy to hear you're still with us, Rory, the world wouldnt have been the same place without you.

And I'm with Maggie, BSG itself is a reason to live.
June 29, 2007 8:55 PM
 

Matt said:

Have you considered adoption? You wouldn't have the possibility of passing on the bipolar disorder, and you would be giving a family to a kid who otherwise could be stuck in an orphanage or a foster home.

Your videos on Channel 9 are always entertaining, I never thought that you could be having these kinds of problems. You always seem so bright and happy in the videos. I'm glad you're still with us.
June 29, 2007 10:01 PM
 

Ariel said:

You keep on being a failure if it means staying here with us.
June 29, 2007 10:06 PM
 

Andrew said:

Wow. I'm very glad that you continue to be with us to share your insights.

[This is where something pithy and/or profound would go if I had anything in either category to share.]

Take care of yourself, man.
June 29, 2007 10:14 PM
 

sarchi said:

commisarations.. what's a cool dude to do I hear you ask other than blalock coming over with media hype and crashing her heli-taxi on your land ..high fives
June 29, 2007 10:35 PM
 

sarchi said:

June 29, 2007 10:41 PM
 

Haacked said:

I think you're wrong. I think Grace Park (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661825/) is a better reason to live.
June 29, 2007 11:21 PM
 

jayson knight said:

I personally have tried to reach out to you several times via various mediums...there is strength in numbers and I would really like to chat w/ you my man. Please give me a shout back.

Take care of yourself, and always remember that even the worst day living is better than the best day dead.
June 29, 2007 11:36 PM
 

Christoffer said:

Dammit Rory.

Remember your old 27/4 2007 post of "Happy Birthday Neopoleon"? Which, incidentally, also happens to be my birthday. But anyway...

Didn't I write something along the lines of "stay with us"? Was that like, um, unclear in any way? It's almost as if you don't treat the comments on your blog as if it was the pure voice of GOD.

I probably should go over to your place and kick you're blasphemous ass, but there are chances that I don't do that because:

1) I don't know where you live.
2) I am lazy.

But seriously. Most people lives under the delusion that life should have some easy-to-understand meaning and always be fun to live.

That's utterly wrong.

Life is like a one week survival course out in the wilderness. YES the nature is beautiful and look at all those pretty flowers and animals and great blue sky. But that's not the point of the excursion and sometimes the weather is just shitty and sometimes it's hard enjoy the flowers when you haven't managed to get hold of anything to eat for several days.

That doesn't mean that the wilderness sucks, or even that your survival course is bad. It just means you're still a beginner at getting by in the jungle.

The worst thing to do is to mope around complaining how you're hungry and thirsty or how the food sucks - because this isn't camping a night out for fun.

The best way of getting through it, is to accept it for what it is, and then enjoy learning the forest. It is NOT about looking at the pretty flowers, and if you get hung up on that one it's really hard to make it through.

Postponing learning how to build fire, set traps, find water and so on might seem like a good strategy if you think you're on a short walk through the forest, but if you're taking a survival course it could be fatal once the realities of hunger, cold and dehydration catches up with you.
                       
...

Did I mention you're all alone on that survival course?


Dying is for quitters. And you know what we do with quitters around these parts: We give them an operation. Here. In Sweden. A SWEDISH Operation. To blog about.


See ya around Rory.
June 30, 2007 12:17 AM
 

kettch said:

"But seriously. Most people lives under the delusion that life should have some easy-to-understand meaning and always be fun to live."

That pretty much describes my life. Am I doing something wrong? Perhaps someone can loan me some spare misery until I learn how to make my own.
June 30, 2007 2:51 AM
 

Ringelnatz said:

One of my reasons I don't want to die is to see my little children grow up. The 2nd reason is to see the end of the tv series LOST (final season 5 ends in 2010).
June 30, 2007 7:01 AM
 

Alok said:

Oh Rory! The world is a much better place because of you. At least for us, the big bunch of your readers. you're affecting our lives in big proportions. Isn't it a big enough reason to live that you're adding one more reason (reading rory's blog) on a list of our reasons to live?
June 30, 2007 8:40 AM
 

Geoff (Sound Monkey) said:

I love you, Rory, and I miss you.  I'm glad I don't have to miss you more than I do right now, because that would be horrible.  But don't worry - I'm *bubbling* with understanding of suicide as a 'selfish choice.'  Really - I can relate, and you know that.  I hope you continue to exist in this world - and you know you can talk to me any time.  In fact, I might give you a call.
June 30, 2007 9:33 AM
 

marco said:

Rory, I'm thankful to know you.
And you DO own this site.
And I AM a loser.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
June 30, 2007 9:36 AM
 

Vera said:

I'm a friend of Ariel's, and she referred me to this post because she knows that I'm into lethally honest blogging.

Thank you so much for being alive and for living to tell this story. I love that you are willing to deal with the consequences of laying your cards on the table. I'm thinking it's in part because no consequence could be worse than death (except for maybe the non-existence of death, i.e. the option of suicide being taken from the human race), or because, no matter what the consequence, you know that you can always still kill yourself THEN.

I do not agree that you are nuts. I think that the people who say that they never contemplate suicide are lying to themselves. I can't stand lies; that's why I salute you so much. I have thought about suicide off and on for all my life as well. It started when I was 10 and noticed that my two best friends were thinner than me. How could I live like that? I was put in a mental hospital and am just now starting to ponder the idea that maybe I was never nuts; I am just a human being with feelings. If people don't agree with those feelings, they call me nuts.

To me, one of the most valuable things in life is the feeling of being understood, fully and truly, to be seen and heard and recognized without judgement. Reading this post has made me feel that way. And I hope that you, in receiving this message from me, feel a little bit of that too. I see you. I hear you. I understand you. I see myself in you.

But one thing that always discourages me from suicide is the awesome moments that happen from time to time. Like, the other night some girlfriends and I watched the pilot of Beverly Hills 90210. That was a landmark moment for any person that was in their teens in 1990. And if I had committed suicide, say, last year, I never would have lived to see that moment. So now I'm looking forward to the next such brilliant moment, and if a suicidal thought tries to interfere, I remind myself. I guess it's kind of like you reminding yourself of the existence of--what was her name? I'm too lazy to scroll up.

Anyway, I am here, you are there, and I am glad you exist in my universe.
June 30, 2007 9:42 AM
 

Kelly said:

Glad you're still around.  Seriously.  My world would get smaller and dimmer without you.

PS:  I'm sorry I complained about the amount of butter on the popcorn during one of your Portland MSDN events.  Nah, that wasn't me, but I'll see if I can't track down the name of that bozo for you.  :)
June 30, 2007 10:43 AM
 

Dave said:

The Stephen Fry documentary on bipolar disorder is pretty good. I hope you decide to stay with us.
June 30, 2007 10:44 AM
 

Ian said:

Dude, don't make me call Gisele on your ass. You need to ammend your list of 'good' things pronto.

I'm glad that of all the things your really good at, it turns out that you suck at topping yourself.

Keep up that sucking streak bud, I still owe you dinner ;-)
June 30, 2007 11:48 AM
 

kettch said:

Kelly said "PS:  I'm sorry I complained about the amount of butter on the popcorn during one of your Portland MSDN events.  Nah, that wasn't me, but I'll see if I can't track down the name of that bozo for you.  :)"

It can't be any worse than me always pestering him about the availability of Microsoft notepads.
June 30, 2007 2:52 PM
 

SteveJ said:

Rory,

Just to add my small voice to the sea of others (in case your OCD is winning today, and 28 people saying they care is better than 27):  You make a difference in all our lives and we'd be very sad to see you go.  I'm all for kids (even bipolar ones, bless their completely exhaustifying selves), but you can do the "for the peeps" thing either way.  Anyway, hang in there, the only thing worse than surviving suicide is not surviving it.
June 30, 2007 4:18 PM
 

Kevin Daly said:

Rory, Rory, Rory. Sigh.

I believe there are cases in which suicide is a perfectly rational response to circumstances (I don't think it's the *right* response, but that's purely due to my personal beliefs and not a valid  argument against suicide).
On the other hand, for suicide to *be* a rational response there really should be a very serious disincentive to continue living.

Your situation raises a couple of points in my mind (I'm desperately grasping for a third: my brain has apparently been permanently warped by PowerPoint)
1) The first indication that the shrinks may have a point is that there's something worryingly passive about this...your average animal expends quite a lot of effort trying to stay alive (even sheep, and honestly what have they got to live for?), suicide should require a LOT of motivation. This seems like a more introverted version of the killing-an-Arab scenario in l'Étranger.
Then again, you may be the human equivalent of the entire Giant Panda species: the world is a better place with them around, but if they really can't be bothered with the whole reproducing and looking after their offspring thing we might have to give up and write them off.
2) I mean this in a kind way (and not in a "Why Doesn't He Just Snap Out Of It?" way), but you really should, um, give some consideration to pulling your head out of your arse. If you can't find enough motivation to live for yourself but don't have a HUGE reason to die, live for others. Think of how you felt after your grandmother died, and then  think of the effect on your family and close friends if you successfully managed to top yourself. I'm guessing they'd probably be a bit upset. Suicide by people who aren't finding life necessarily *unbearable* is a bit on the narcissistic side...(see, the fragrances and so on *were* a danger sign).  Nothing you do is just about you, whether you like it or not.
But to put things in context: would you honestly want to be outlived by George Bush, Richard Cheney and Richard Stallman?
Or for that matter (and especially now), me?
June 30, 2007 5:48 PM
 

P. said:

hey Rory,

I am somewhat stunned to read all this. Make sure you stay alive, there will be moments when you will know you made a good decision.
Regards from Serbia,
P.
June 30, 2007 5:48 PM
 

GuyIncognito said:

ha!  welcome to my world...

as much as i think about it... i could never go through with it though.

the pain and anguish that it would cause my family and friends wouldn't be worth it.  sure i'd be dead and it wouldn't be of any concern to me (i'm not religious so i don't fear the wrath of hell), but i know that i would be missed, and the traumatic event would cause people who i love unneeded misery and guilt.  i just couldn't do that... i couldn't.  couldn't.  won't.

i'm not sure why my brain works this way?  is it a neurological or biological  or it because of my life experiences and the lifestyle changes i've made?  mental illness (i hate that term) is definitely in my family tree.  my sister has been in and out of treatment and is unfortunately still in the "you are definitely crazy, but we don't know which type of crazy yet" stage and trying to get the right combination of cognitive therapy and medication.  cousins, aunts and uncles are all on meds and are all coping in different ways.  my mom had a breakdown when we were young and she has told me that if it weren't for her having to care for me and my sister, she would have took her own life (she IS very religious).  luckily she found a therapist who was able to help her.

i refuse to go to a doctor or a therapist or take medication.  could my life be more functional if i did?  maybe...  i'm still one of those people who sort of thinks "it's all in your head" and i think that with a bit of positive thought i can do anything.  i've personally found that working out (i love pumping iron --- as lame as that sounds), eating good, and taking supplements (look into fish oil and mental health) has improved my quality of life and helped make me functional go of it.  i also love walking.  last summer... i hit a massive low and sort of dropped off the face of the earth.  walking 2 to 3 hours a night is probably what helped to keep me from getting worse.  something about walking... i don't know the science behind it, but i swear by it.

i love kids.  i think raising kids would probably be the most rewarding thing i'd ever do.  i too worry about passing troublesome genes to my kids (if i have them).  my sister and i also seem to have the wonderful adult acne gene (gdmfsob!) on top of the crazy gene.  it's not something i worry too much about though.   i know there are options.   there are tons of great kids out there to adopt.  also, i do have a bit of faith in the mental health field.  there are some good doctors and i think as we figure out more about the brain and how it works, we might be able to build better drugs to make the parts that don't work... work.  

heh... one last thing.  it's also not a cry for help or a way to get back at the world or anything.  i've always wanted to just walk into an ER and say... "you can take any of my organs (heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, etc) that you need, cause i don't want them anymore"  -- i can't think of a better way to go... giving someone else a chance at life.  they had just better throw my brain in the trashcan, or cut out the good parts.

thanks for sharing this rory.  it's good to feel that you're not alone.  reading this post has really put me in good spirits.  i don't think i'm as nuts as you are.  but i'm also not as smart.  i have a hunch that smarts and crazy seem to go hand in hand.  maybe i also take better care of myself?  

what seems to work for me:

- surround yourself with people that truly love you and understand you (be a worthwhile

- exercise (i love long walks while listening to Mondays podcasts or other audio books) and eat right (again with the fish oil!)

- LAUGH (they say it's one of the better medicines...)

- avoid alcohol and street drugs (especially when on medication)

- SLEEP (7 to 8 hours a night; napping is good)

- empower yourself by learning more about mental illness (books, videos, podcasts, etc)

- do the things you love to do (i love reading, i love playing with kids, i love dogs, i love taking long walks, i love laughing, i love surprising people with unexpected kind deeds, i love masturbating, i love crushing on girls, i love spending time with my family and friends, i love lifting heavy weights high above my head, i love telling that stupid computer what to do and having it listen, i love watching movies that make me tear up [ET for example], etc)

- stop being so selfish  (i have been the happiest when i'm preoccupied with helping or making someone else happy)



i honestly thought i wouldn't make it to 30, yet here i am?  i'll race you to 60!?   oh, who am i kidding, the world will probably end in the next 30 years anyway.   :)


if i was able to make the decision for you, i'd choose life... but it's a decision only you can make.  i personally don't have any moral oppositions to suicide... i just think it's incredibly selfish.  

June 30, 2007 6:55 PM
 

GuyIncognito said:

ps.  don't think for a second that i won't find out where you live, throw a brick throw a back window, reach my hand in and unlatch the window, gracefully climb into the window, load my black burlap sack with your xbox and prized books and stealthily sneak back through the window into the night...




June 30, 2007 7:10 PM
 

Carl said:

Hey Rory, the world is a wasteland. It needs more people like you. I'm glad you're still here.
June 30, 2007 8:48 PM
 

shaz said:

Rory that's some serious stuff, I hope you find the lessons in it, and use that knowledge to help yourself and others. That's where satisfaction comes from..... better to give than receive. I know what peaks and valleys can do to the ride, but how boring would a flat line be. It's the highs and lows that give us perspective to see what is really going on. Anyone in the world who thinks they are 100% the sh*t has not looked around enough to have that balance of circumspection. Our world is in chaos...  millions die from starvation, wars rage on through global bankers dominance, government corruption abounds..... you'd be even sicker if it was "all OK." Feel your feelings, grow through them.... and know that being you is your #1 job, nobody else can fill your shoes. I wish you well, and I'm glad your still with us on this chaotic rock hurtling through space.
Shaz
June 30, 2007 9:06 PM
 

Your Sister said:

Dude,

"I was groggy, but I yanked all the leads off, decided not to mess with the catheter in my arm (it was a tangle of tape and tubes), got up, found my clothes, got dressed, and went to get the answers to a few questions."

You're like, totally courageous. It takes a brave man to pee through his arm.

See you soon.

-Me
June 30, 2007 11:14 PM
 

Your Sister said:

PS. On a serious note, I cried my heart out when you first let us know what was going on. Thinking about life without having you around sucks. I cried so much I had to throw my contact lenses away (too salty).
June 30, 2007 11:17 PM
 

punky said:

Hey Rory,

I don't know what to type. I'm sorry you've been feeling that non-existence might be better that existence. I hope that feeling has changed, and will stay that way.

Having kids profoundly changes everything in your life, including your emotions and how your brain works. If I were you, I wouldn't kill myself until I had experienced that transformation (and, of course, suicide becomes a non-option afterwards -- that's one of the benefits of the transformation!)

Apart from that, I'll just say some obvious stuff. You're one of the precious few people whose writing I admire. I wish you'd derive enough pleasure from exercising your talents to make a clear case for living. It would certainly be a waste to return your talents to the melting pot; I'm sure they would be diluted and combined in less interesting ways.
July 1, 2007 1:45 AM
 

Christoffer said:

Kettch said: "That pretty much describes my life. Am I doing something wrong? Perhaps someone can loan me some spare misery until I learn how to make my own."

Ok, so maybe what I said came out a wee bit grumpy.

But actually the point is this:

If one doesn't mind misery that much, and can live with not knowing what life is about...

...then misery is going to slide off you mostly, since you don't pay it that much of attention. And that will give you time to think about, and do, more fun things.

...and then you're gonna have a pretty damn good life, even if you're doing nothing to keep the bad things away.

That's all.
July 1, 2007 9:40 AM
 

Foo said:

jayson knight said:
"I personally have tried to reach out to you several times via various mediums..."

But he's not dead yet! How are they gonna help? DUH!
July 1, 2007 10:41 AM
 

John said:

> I did manage to knock myself out, but I woke up a few hours later at the bloody hospital. <

OMG, you *are* a failure! ;)

> I had spent a few weeks trying very hard to come up with a compelling reason to stick around. <

If you ever get caught out like this again, here's a simple trick: remember that you've felt this way before, and that since that time there has been at least one good time, and at that time it had all been worth it. Don't be a pussy.

"You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should."

-- http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderata.html

Therefore, you're not dead because you're not *meant* to be dead.

p.s. Don't you *dare* fucking kill yourself. That's against *my* rules.
July 1, 2007 11:06 AM
 

Carlos Castaneda said:

From one bat-shit fucking crazy mofo to another:

     You have to be aware of the uselessness of your self-importance and of your personal history.

     Your death can give you a little warning, it always comes as a chill. Death is our eternal companion, it is always to our left, at an arm's length.

     How can anyone feel so important when we know that death is stalking us. The thing to do when you're impatient is to turn to your left and ask advice from your death. An immense amount of pettiness is dropped if your death makes a gesture to you, or if you catch a glimpse of it, or if you just have the feeling that your companion is there watching you.

     The issue of our death is never pressed far enough. Death is the only wise adviser that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you that you're wrong; that nothing really matters outside its touch. Your death will tell you, "I haven't touched you yet."

     One of us here has to change, and fast. One of us here has to learn again that death is the hunter, and that it is always to one's left. One of us here has to ask death's advice and drop the cursed pettiness that belongs to men that live their lives as if death will never tap them.
July 1, 2007 12:10 PM
 

Betsy A said:

Oh Rory.  :( If it makes you feel better, there came a day when I found out who among my fellow MFA creative writing grad students were on meds of some kind, and as a nonmedicated person, I was in some kind of square minority.  So the brilliant writer posse is no stranger to these odd ups and downs of brain.

And there are some brains that make it tougher on their owners than others and I guess you have one of them. It's hard not to listen to your own brain on these matters, and often it has more wisdom than fellow bloggers, but in this case  I'm with the above folks: hang out with us for another 200 years or so. By then you will have a body of writerly work and a passel of kids and then you can decide again. Probably to colonize Mars.

Hang in there,

Betsy



July 1, 2007 1:02 PM
 

snowstorm said:

Sigh. Glad you're still around. Hope you'll keep it that way until something not self-inflicted takes you out.

(I call dibs on the CooperWorks.)
July 1, 2007 2:43 PM
 

Juke said:

I always kinda thought Blalock looked a little like a trany. Kinda has a little man-jaw going on.

Also, next time you need someone to tell you how crazy you are you should just call me. I'm way cheaper than Teh Shrinks.
July 1, 2007 9:19 PM
 

Mark Miller said:

I'm embracing hypocracy. But I don't recommend it for you.
July 1, 2007 10:07 PM
 

John said:

Hey, I was thinking... you know, now you're gonna have to spend a lot of time wondering if maybe you *did* die. Maybe you're in hell now? I mean... how would you know? ;)
July 2, 2007 12:08 AM
 

Bork Blatt said:

Rory, I don't have your e-mail, and I would've preferred to send this via e-mail. Since that's not an option, I thought I'd try a comment.

I don't have space to say everything here I'd like to say, but what the hey.

I believe there are psychiatric disorders, chemical imbalances, etc. that can naturally cause depression etc, but I believe that our worldview and our thought life are much more powerful. Yes, if you have a physical ailment, get treatment, and counselling can help.

The nub of your post, though, was about purpose. Why are we here? Is life worth living? These are questions it is vital to have a good answer to if you're not eventually going to end up in the same place. IMNSHO, having kids is not a good enough answer. Heck, even if you hadn't been through your recent terrible episode, these are still questions worth asking.

Along with the other posters, I'm really glad that your suicide attempt failed. This is one type of failure that's great.

I'd like to add mine to the many offers for help you've received. I'm not a trained counsellor, psychiatrist, blah, blah, and I certainly don't have all the answers; but I am a 30 year old programmer, who has examined his worldview logically, rationally, based on evidence and observation, and found meaning and purpose that's not just based on me and my life.

You know a little of my belief system from other posts, and I know that many people today will instantly shuffle me into the lunatic category along with the Xenu camp, but if you're interested in chatting, mail me.

I'll be praying that you meet someone in your area that can help you get through this dark patch.

Borkity Bork Bork!
July 2, 2007 12:12 AM
 

Massif said:

Wow... It's only ten to nine on a Monday morning and already I've vicariously stared into the black hole of suicide.

Today's had better go uphill from now on, that's all I can say.

So reading this bought two things to mind:

1 - Did you get to watch the fantastic Steven Fry program on the life of the manic depressive? It's an honest and frank examination of his life, and others with Bipolar disorder and it's moving, warming and interesting. You may enjoy it.

2 - I remembered that I've considered suicide since I was 15, back then I decided that I'd have to give life a fair chance; so the rule was that I'd wait until I was 25 and see how life had gone and was going. Fortunately by the time I was 25 life was going well, and getting better on a daily basis. Which has led me to the belief that you can never rule out the possibility that, without any warning, life can start going spectacularly well and you should never rule out the possibility that next week, month, year of decade could be marvellous.

It's worth living through the pointless years to arrive at that point, and I'm glad you're going to have to.

In summary, whenever you arrive at the "pros and cons of continued existance" decision you have to add in the unknown possibility of something utterly awesome and heart warming happening into the pro column, and that should outweigh almost anything in the con column.

Look after yourself, you're the only you we've got.
July 2, 2007 12:59 AM
 

punky said:

I'll second Massif's sentiments here.

When examining the equation of pros and cons, your cons are a mere constant, whereas your pros form a sequence you don't really know the terms of. No matter how big your cons-constant is at any given point in time, there's no way of knowing that your pros won't eventually overtake it.

Also, remember that you're the only you YOU've got as well. You can't come back, you know.

You can't even experience not being.
July 2, 2007 6:02 AM
 

Zer0Mass said:

Having been on both sides of this (someone really close to me killed herself, I not dealing with it well thought and almost did the same) you have my support.  Besides if you die I'm down to BetsyA's blog for intelligent writing and good as she is I need more than that.  So stop thinking about your selfish needs and start thinking about mine.

Bi-polar is such a bitch too, am I going to be happy, sad, just plain wierd today?  Will that mood last?

So yah, if you ever want to talk to someone who has been there, tried to do that and isn't a doctor let me know, but I want any comic books you have in the event of your death.
/both bi-polar and ADD
July 2, 2007 7:07 AM
 

paul said:

As I've told you before death is really overrated, you're just setting yourself up for a bigger disappointment then the iPhone.
July 2, 2007 7:13 AM
 

Blue said:

My God, Rory! I've been away for a while and that's how you managed to get my attention back? You went a bit overboard if you want to know...

I was suicidal at 18 but my experience turned out to immunize me against such a foolish temptation. I hope you get the vaccine too. Twenty five years later, I celebrated that anniversary thinking I well deserved to be 43 and life is fabulous, even though I still haven't found my soul mate and seem to exclusively attract morons, my favourite restaurant just closed down and I lost the toothpaste cap in my broken sink drain this morning. I know, life sucks at time, but hard times are so much more temporary than death...

One more thing, Rory. Please do something about your writing talent. Give it the room it deserves in your life and let it blossom and become your drive. You just can't die without having become my favourite writer. Hugs.
July 2, 2007 9:49 AM
 

UncleMidriff said:

Try smoking. :-)  Seriously, it worked for my brother.  He told me that if not for his friend Philip Morris, he'd've offed himself before officials from the medical school he was attending could have arrived at his apartment to stick him in a psych hospital.

With smoking, it's like you get to kill yourself little by little each day while still waiting for a reason not to to come up!  It's like prolonged, non-committal suicide, with a smooth and mellow flavor!

On a more serious note, fuck this whiny "I can't tell you how to [not] live your life" bullshit: don't kill yourself.  It would hurt people.  That would suck.  I don't want you to do it.  Don't do it.  There.
July 2, 2007 10:50 AM
 

Matt said:

Hi Rory.  The last sentence is about how I bet you have a big penis, so please read it.  First, let me say that I'm really really really not judging you.  I promise.  I am writing this as a person who has commented, oh maybe 2 times, and read most of your posts, so I don't really know the real you, but just the persona you put on this blog.  Bear that in mind.

I have also tried to kill myself.  Came home one time from a party, no one was in the apartment, and I really didn't want to be around anymore, so I took every single pill in the house.  Of course, I was a poor college student, and all I had were antibiotics and aspirin (hell, all I knew was that too many pills killed you -- I didn't realize they needed to be a special type of pill).  Boy do I wish that I had a camera back then -- shit and vomit EVERYWHERE.  My body even managed to manufacture, among all the runny shit, a brick about the size of an ostrich egg, and at some point that came out of me.

Anyway, I had been thinking about offing myself for years.  Probably since I was 10, and the thoughts still crop up to this day, but I can put them down now.  It's very easy to ignore them.  However, I still won't let myself own a gun or go to the edge of a cliff.  It's easy because of the choice that I made a few weeks after my serious attempt.

The choice was this: do I want to be happy, or don't I?  Sounds stupid, right?  But it's true.  I make a very conscious choice to enjoy what I do.  I'm not 100% in shape, I don't have boundless energy or anything, I just enjoy what I'm doing at any given moment.  And if I don't enjoy it, I think of what I can do after that I would enjoy.  It's not a selfish enjoyment "I'm going to play video games for 16 hours!" but just enjoyment "I'm going to go out to dinner with my mom -- wow, I bet the restaurant will have bleu cheese sauce on the steak -- I'm going to get that".  Again, I know it sounds stupid, but my point in life is to enjoy it.  And now I'm going to throw another curve ball at you...

One of the things that I most enjoy, probably for purely selfish reasons, is to volunteer.  I started out going down to help Habitat for Humanity build houses every Saturday, no matter how cold or crappy it was outside.  In fact, the cold and crappy days are probably the most fun.  You meet TONS of people from all walks of life, some who are total dicks, but that's fun in its own way, and you get to make something with your hands.  Man, as a computer programmer (and I really love programming) there is just something really special about building something tangible with your hands.

Finally, and you probably aren't even reading this anymore, but I'll write it out cause I want to, you are a paradox to my un-psychiatrically trained mind.  I mean, you buy ridiculously expensive sunglasses and even brag about them so much that it causes a fight between you and your sister, you then you mention in this post about how you don't care about things.  Your "About Rory" tag line at the end of the comments page is "I *own* this site, you loser."  Yet you say in this blog post that you are a failure (or that you felt you were, you know what I mean).  What I'm trying to say is, don't try to build yourself up to feel superior when you subconscious knows that you are not.  I don't know if the technical term for this is sublimation, or what, (it's the thing that makes guys with small dicks buy a sports car), but I think you are showing some major signs of it.  But you drive a little weeny car, so I bet your schlong is HUGE.
July 2, 2007 12:04 PM
 

Scott said:

I used to work as a clinical psychologist (and have therefore become instantly identificable to everyone on my team...ah well) and also suffer from a non-clinical level of bipolar disorder (which about 40% of the population also do...) which I manage without medication (but with some fairly odd supplements...works for me!).
Here's what happens next...you have counselling; you already see a therapist, cool but remember there's LOTS of different types of therapists...if you've just seem one try others!
Be honest with whoever you talk to - really honest...the deepest darkest shit you can think of is NOTHING to them.
Blame is interesting but not useful...you can't change the past and your depressed brain is FANTASTIC as recalling bad memories, one of the little tricks our memory plays on us.
If you feel worse on medication (especially SSRIs) TELL YOUR doctor! Suicidal ideation is a real, known side affect with many of these medications!
Watch the Stephen Fry thing, I saw this a few months ago back home (I'm british) and it's the best show I've ever seen on bipolar disorder.
Finally one last thing - killing yourself is never an answer although it can often seem that way when you feel like this talk to someone, bother a friend, call a helpline (the MS helpline is good for this sort of stuff) - you'll feel like a dick doing it but it really does help, if you want to get pop-psych you're breaking the chain which your deporession is causing  depressed ->remember crap stuff->more depressed etc...Plan to go somewhere, get out the house (don't take any other drug though...ALWAYS a mistake!)
Oh and another final thing (finality is becoming a theme :-)) medication can work but as I said before it's a crapshoot, get a decent psychiatrist who is up on current research (read some yourself and ask questions...particualrly about their thoughts on SSRIs ...oh and interactions with the bupropion you are / were on...coming off that could have had a connection with your recent attempt at suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion#Suicide_risk)
July 2, 2007 12:44 PM
 

Scott said:

Umm..ignore the last one, wrong drug :-)
July 2, 2007 12:52 PM
 

blfstyk said:

You'd rather be dead than have a sex change?  Hmmm.  Definitely some food for thought there.

BTW, coming from a family with a history of bipolor disorder, there is a small chance, not a large chance, you would pass the disorder on to your child.  I also believe it inherits through the female line more readily than the male, further decreasing your likelihood of transmitting it.  (So perhaps you should take a pass on that interesting operation in Sweden after all.)

Also BTW, the first thing my bipolar mom would do after the occasional physician-mandated weaning off the assorted meds they had prescribed was to try to kill herself.  You just got off some serious drugs.  You tried to kill yourself.  You didn't succeed.  It's normal.  Move on.

If you want to see some seriously fucked up genius artists, check out the BBC production "The Power of Art."  It'll make you want to be crazy.

Cheers.
July 2, 2007 2:36 PM
 

Malcolm said:

There have been times when I was glad that I didn't own a fire arm.  And there was the time that I asked my room mate to remove his from the appartment for the weekend he was going out of town.

And there was another time that I was glad that all the knives in my house were dull.

And another time, on an onramp, I thought of driving my bike into a divider, but I was only going 15 -  25 miles an hour and I figured that all I would do is f*ck myself up.  By the time I got up to speed, I'd changed my mind.

It hasn't been every day, at least not for more than a few years, that I've thought about exiting life, but there was a time.
July 2, 2007 3:50 PM
 

Thera said:

I hope it occurs to you how many people would be devastated if the world were sans Rory.  I talked to you a bit and I don't know all the intricate details or the interworking of your mind, but I do know that you and I are very alike (which was proven by our immediate friendship and connection) and I have thought about it many, many times since I was about 12.

Being writers as you and I are, I think it's almost a requirement that we at least give it some thought.  Sometimes the most brilliant minds think of things not to live for.

The word "suicide" scares the shit out of people.  After talking to you, I don't agree that what you did would have been the "right" thing (using that word loosely) but I can understand what drove you there but from one strong person to the next, it's nothing that you can't drive yourself away from.

Sometimes, life is a fight against yourself and the illusions you present to yourself.  You have to learn to see through these false things to what you want and what life means to you.  

Someone told me something one day that gives me a glimpse of hope when I'm in my dark place.  "So, instead of waiting for someone to bring me flowers, I planted my own garden and decorated my own soul."  It may sound simple and cliche but instead of waiting for someone to give you the answer, do what makes you happy...do what you were meant to do.  

But we can plainly see that you were meant to live.  If it's kids, it's kids...if it's Battlestar Galactica then so be it.  I remember a time when all you wanted was to pet a girraffe or to feel the breeze of a storm or to walk around in a rose garden.  Sometimes all you want to do is play your guitar by yourself or have some tea and dream of things come and gone.  Whatever it is, I hope that you find a reason every single day from here on out to keep yourself happy and alive...more that that though, I hope you find a reason to live meaningfully.  

You mean the world to so many people and I'm sure for many of us, you are one of our reasons...myself, included.

Always,
Tee
July 2, 2007 6:41 PM
 

pixie said:

My first reaction:

   "Steempy, you *Eeeeeediot*"  (don't forget to add the accent & emphasis)

You just had to go and add that extra little cliffhanger to the memoirs.  Jeez.  Some day when you're old and fat and you've screwed a bzillion people to get where you are, and all you want is for the wacky celebrity people to stop digging through your trash and selling your used man-hygiene products for a profit on Ebay, you'll look back on this and ...  well who knows.    I rather hope I get to find out.

You have this great knack for persistence in life, in spite of yourself, it seems.  It's kinda like watching a cowboy on a bucking bronco -- except in this case you're not getting away with a mere 8 seconds, and your bronco is a vicious bugger of a ride.  Good thing you have us clowns around for distraction...
July 3, 2007 9:23 AM
 

miss sarah said:

I think Tee is on to something here:

"Sometimes, life is a fight against yourself and the illusions you present to yourself.  You have to learn to see through these false things to what you want and what life means to you."

For myself it's always been a struggle to maintain a balance between those illusions (both good and bad) and big-picture reality. On the one hand, sometimes I need those illusions to get through the day (Battlestar Galactica, or for me the next Eurovision); on the other hand, if I don't recognize that I'm justifying things and how those justifications fit into the big picture, the entire enterprise is pointless; i.e., even your desire to have kids - while an excellent short-term "illusion" - will fail you when those little shits are seriously pissing you off. It's going to happen, regardless of how much we all know how awesome they're going to be - whether or not they're biological or adopted, they're going to learn *everything* from you. ;) Just think of all the crap you pulled when you were a kid and multiply it by ten because we also know that you're bound to be with a terribly amazing woman who has her own history of brilliant stunts and hijinks that would scare the pants off of 98% of parents in America today.

Bottom line: 61 out of 61 of your blog readers agree - If the last 29 years have been any indication of the potential greatness of Teh Rowrie, you'd be effing nuts to sneak out early. We love you way too much.

Oh, and if you head to Sweden make sure it's so that you return *with* a lady and not as one. Take it from me, even though their doctors are pretty amazing, and universal healthcare makes things cheap, you'd be on a waiting list forever and you'd only walk out of the hospital to find that even the woman begging on the street has better bone structure than you'll ever have (sorry hon, it's true). You'll end up with the worst inferiority complex ever. Focus on procreating with a Swede rather than re-creating as one. You'll have much better results.
July 3, 2007 10:08 AM
 

copperlocks said:

rory - it's the redheaded dba you used to work with at the gas co (not the ungodly BITCHY one!) you haven't heard from me in a while but i and many others here still follow your blog

your recent ramblings have touched similar places and thoughts in myself - having had surgery in february and being exposed to oxycontin for the first time in my life - i was amazed at how quickly withdrawal symptoms presented themselves and then later how often thoughts crept up of returning to that wonderful lala land!

anyway i just wanted to say you are bright, funny, well-respected, an amazingly stunning writer and you obviously have tons of adoring fans -  in a land full of mediocracy and pap, you are someone who is actually making a difference in the lives of others and forcing them to think

be assured that your funeral will be well-attended ...
just please don't make us attend it early!!!


July 3, 2007 11:10 AM
 

Andy said:

I don't have anything to say that others haven't probably said better in earlier comments. I'm glad you stuck around though and I hope you continue to do so.


........oh yah and stay away from Sartre novels for a while.
July 3, 2007 11:23 AM
 

John Askew said:

Another vote for BSG.

You will be a terrific father.
July 3, 2007 8:11 PM
 

Dr Herbie said:

Rory,
Don't you fucking DARE do that again!

OK, I know, it sneaks up on you sometimes.  I'm not bopolar, I'm just depressive.  That means I get the shitty bits without the fun stuff.  I never realise that the black dog is back until I'm way down there listening to Radiohead. But just stop it with the 'not being here' thing, mmmkay? One day at a time.

But bipolar disporder can be lived with, just ask Richard Dreyfus, Stephen Fry, Robbie Williams, Carrie Fischer, Spike Milligan (well, you can't ask him he died).  Stephen Fry did a documentary for the BBC about his bipolarism. I was amazed at the number of famous people who have it. Stephen asked each one of them 'If you had a magic button that could make your bipolarism dissappear, would you press it?'  Most of them said no.


Oh, and having kids is great, but they mess your house up no  end. You just have to accept that like a Zen Buddist thing.

Take care, Rory.  

Herbie
July 3, 2007 11:20 PM
 

dv said:

Wow...just wow.

From one very long time niner to another not-so-long-time niner...I'll add you to my list of people I pray for.
July 3, 2007 11:39 PM
 

Lloyd_Humph said:

DUDE!!

Don't go doing that. Your C9 vids rock :P

C9 wouldn't be the same without you.
July 4, 2007 2:28 AM
 

Massif said:

As can be seen here by the presence of so many niners; in case you haven't seen it you were mentioned in the Coffeehouse by none other than our own corona_coder.

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=322055

It seemed proper to try to connect the two different outpourings of support.
July 4, 2007 3:39 AM
 

Richard Hein said:

Hi Rory.  I am sorry to hear about all of this, but I wasn't surprised at all to tell the truth, because I thought you were a lot like someone I know very close who is also bipolar, and I often have suicidal thoughts as well, and have most of my life, and once came very close, but had a vision ... anyways it's not important what I saw or heard but that it made me understand that everyone is alone and yet has as so much capacity for love and friendship, that life was about digging it out of yourself and others, because it's the only thing worth living for; and that ultimately the only person I would help by ending my life was me (and not really help at all).

Whenever I read harsh comments on Channel9 from viewers who either just didn't like you or felt like being picky dickheads, I kept worrying that you might take it too hard, because of your personality.  This is what I think -- when people criticize you, you take it way too hard, because you think that it's what defines you.  Their opinion is polarized however -- out of 1000 viewers, maybe 10 will write a comment, and 2 will be complete dickheads, 4 will be less than generous and correct "stupid" mistakes you may have made, and 4 might say, "cool".  How many people liked it?  Well, if 1000 viewers watch the next one, then ignore the comments, in general they are always the EXTREMES of opinion, and the truth is always in the middle somewhere, and tilted in your favour because people don't bitch unless they are a) bitchy and b) have time, and people don't say "good job" unless they really liked it a lot.  Personally I loved your personality in the videos, even the "immaturity" claims people make are just dumb, you add excitment and your viewers want to have a variety of personalities to choose from and learn from.

Cheers, and keep trying to find your way, you will.
July 4, 2007 4:11 AM
 

Jung said:

Hi Rory,

I read your post just now, I've been in your situation more than a few times over various troubles in my life, but luckily like you I'm still here. I'm not going to lie and try and make things easier for you, cause life definitely isn't easy, but I tell you what, when you look at things outside of the box, it's pretty fucking good. Why Sugar coat the sweetest thing you've got.
I thought I'd drop you a bit of advice on a few things that have kept me alive throughout the last few years. One of them is a quote from Hunter S Thompson, which is "Too wierd to live, and too rare to die" which is pretty self explanatory really. But you may as well keep on going as a unique individual on this Earth for as long as you can, because considering the unknown truths about heaven and hell, and disregarding any current beliefs, death is going to be pretty fucking shit. Especially if nothing actually exists.
Look at how beautiful the world is, I'm sure things astound and surprise you every now and again, you might not ever get excited about upcoming events, but imagine missing out on the things you don't know are coming.
The second thing that keeps me going, is "water, food, shelter", which are the only three things you'll ever need. Aslong as you've got those three, then I reckon you're doing alright, anything else is just a bonus, so if you lose something or fuck something up, then you haven't really lost anything except something you don't need anyway.
As for having kids, the sickening thing is that I am inclined to agree with you that humanity's primary role is to reproduce, which is almost certain to become a pleasure. I too am worried beyond beleif  about fathering children one day, the sheer thought of being given a completely empty being and having to shape that being into a consciousness, I feel that if i were to make a single mistake I could change that child's life forever, but for now it's something I try not to think about. For mistakes are what the world is built upon.
If you feel that you'd be happier if you had succeeded on Friday night, then I do completely understand, but reading what you wrote there, you come accross as incredibly gifted and articulate, and I think it would be a complete loss of a raw and yet still unharnessed talent.
I don't quite understand how you feel you're a bit of 'defective machinery' when in reality by stepping out of the box, you're actually a peice of overactive machinery.
Take a look at something like Maslow's Heirarchy of needs (think it's on wikipedia) and see where you fit in there, from the things I've read in your post above, you might well find you're a lot higher up on there than most, striving for an even higher level. Which of course means that people who are below are very likely to see you as odd.
To be honest you might read this as completely bullshit. Or somewhere it might spark some inspiration in you.
I don't need to say anything to save your life, as it seems to me you already want to live :)

Drop me an email sometime (jung@muujun.co.uk), if you want want a chat, I've a fair few things I'd rather not talk about here in public, but it would truly be lovely to talk sometime with someone who has a great mind, I seem to spend most of my time looking for people to talk to who will stimulate me in conversation, and you seem to be one of those people.
Something you wrote there really touched me and I completely understood how you felt.

Anyway, I hope you're feeling better.

Be nice to hear from you,

Stacey (Jung is just a nickname)
July 4, 2007 4:19 AM
 

Waving white flag...for this thread anyway - Noticias externas said:

July 5, 2007 3:30 AM
 

Eric said:

I know all about the, "you everyone doesn't think of killing themselves daily," thoughts.  It's like when you go to see a therapist and they ask if you've been feeling depressed, you're like.. "not any more than I've been ever since I could remember."  Drugs just made me worse and I'm tired of therapists telling me to "think happy thoughts".. I just try to live.. for what I'm not sure.. just seems the 'in' thing to do.
July 9, 2007 1:44 PM
 

Dan Woolston said:

yeah dude...jolene is super hot in season four.
i just finished the last disc and in the final episode she was uber-gorgeous. hopefully she'll reprise her role in another unnamed star trek series, if any.
do you remember the episode where she was in the decompression chamber getting all oily?
that scene is so borderline pornality, I nearly feel guilty watching it.
nearly.
July 10, 2007 5:32 AM
 

lb said:

best of luck Roawdogg.

life is a big miserable horrible thing that continually astounds us with how mean and frustrating it can be at every intolerable turn.

i mean... think happy thoughts, yeh.

no pressure or anything. it's not like your life depends on it. oh. i'm bad at this whole suicide counsellor hotline thing.

well, one day at a time, y'now. Like there's any fucking choice in the matter. Not like you can order a dozen days at once for christ's sake.

one foot in front of the... oh this fucking chin up shit is making me want to rip off my gonads and shove them down my peehole just to spice things up a little.

best of luck.
lb

July 10, 2007 10:04 PM
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