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Women - Fear of Intimacy - Fear of Women - Fear of Relationships

I'd say that the title says it all, but it doesn't. Not even close.

I'm sure you've been clutching your soul where the Rory-Shaped-Hole in your life caused by my absence has been cut. Put ice on it and apply pressure to stop the bleeding. It's gonna be OK.

Women.

If there's one thing that can distract a man from paying bills, remembering to gas up the car, purchasing groceries, getting plenty of fluids, eating, walking, sleeping, and other assorted present-participles, it's women. Or men if you're gay. But for most men, it's women.

There's this girl.

When you see that sentence, it means trouble. Nothing simple ever came from "There's this girl."

I haven't had a single, healthy relationship since breaking up with Aydika in December of 2005. That's a long time to go without experiencing a relationship built on trust and affection. Nearly everything since Aydika has involved being some girl's sexual fantasy or being some girl's Other Man. Sometimes it was both.

Imagine spending month after month after month getting involved with girls who are cheating on their Others. Or feeling like they've built this other person up around you - someone they want you to be - and then taking off when they've had their fill of fantasyland, never actually getting to know you.

Throw in a good deal of intense personal problems, and you have Me.

With two exceptions, I haven't let anyone anywhere near the ol' heart.

The current exception is... this girl.

I've been hanging out with her since October. At first it was spotty, seeing her once a week at most, but usually less. By January, though, we were getting to be rather close.

She's the first one I haven't turned and ditched at the first sign of the possibility of a relationship.

I'm at my most comfortable when I'm up in front of people. The more people I'm talking to, the better. I hold court at parties and do what Rory does - I give anecdotes, converse in an amusing fashion, flirt, and charm. It turns out that women find flirting and charm to be indicators that a guy wants more to do with them. I was so uninterested in relationships, though, that it wouldn't even occur to me until the party thinned out and I was left with one girl, still listening to Rory, giving me those Looks that girls give when they'd like to, you know, take the party someplace else.

That's when I'd split. Like I said, I'm at my most comfortable talking to groups. They're safe. You can't very well accidentally fall into a romantic situation with a group. At least not at the kind of parties I go to.

But... this girl. I only ran away once. It was in early January while I was in my Cigarettes and Alcohol phase. She came over one night, we drank, we goofed around, played guitar at each other, and then, exhausted, fell asleep on the sofa together.

It had been a long, long time since I'd last fallen asleep next to someone I was close to. I'm entirely accustomed to sleeping alone. So accustomed to it that, when I woke up a few hours later as the sun was coming up, my still half-asleep brain registered the presence of a body next to me. I was still too groggy to have remembered who this person was - all I knew was that I wasn't alone.

I leapt off the couch. Up on my feet, I began to pace. And pace. And pace and pace and pace.

I looked at her and went over the events of the night in my head. We hadn't even Done It - we really did just sleep next to each other, but to my emotionally shell-shocked brain, this was about as intimate as Doing It would have been.

I remembered our conversation before falling asleep. She was asking all sorts of personal questions - things I hadn't talk about with anybody in almost two years. When I'm around people, I present them with what I'm comfortable sharing, and I do it intensely enough that they don't even have a chance to ask anything else.

But this girl... she asked, and I answered.

I felt embarrassed. Looking at her on the sofa, I felt like I had done this Horrible Thing, and that there was no fixing it. She knew Stuff about me, and it made me vulnerable. This girl now had my trust and true affection, and that meant she could hurt me.

I wanted her gone. Not because I didn't care for her - it was the opposite - I wanted her gone because cared for her.

She woke up a little while after me, put on her shoes, and went home.

I didn't call. I didn't text. I didn't want to see her. I was doing my running away thing.

It didn't work. My fear of the situation was proportional to the strength of my feelings for her. So, when the opportunity to see her again came up, I went for it.

We talked about that night, and managed to resolve the weirdness, returning our friendship back to the neutral state in which it began. At least it looked that way.

As is probably already clear, we've spent more and more time together, and we've gotten closer and closer.

This is the closest I've been to anyone since Aydika and I split.

When I'm not around this girl, she's on my mind. I think about her all day. I want to call and text and email and see her. When I'm around her, I want to bring her things - little gifts and crap like that. I'm doing all the things a guy does when courting.

I didn't plan any of it. The courting behaviors aren't a conscious thing. I just have this powerful instinct to do whatever I can to make her happy and comfortable.

We finally hit the point where we had to decide what we were going to do with each other. In my mind, a relationship like this begins with that first nervous kiss. It's the signal that you're ready to dedicate yourself to this thing.

Instead, we've talked about it, and we've decided we're both in the wrong place to start a relationship. She has a lot to deal with right now. I've accidentally started a business. She likes camping, and I like shopping. In terms of lifestyle, we seem wholly incompatible.

We went out to dinner last night and had what felt like the final conversation about all this Stuff. Halfway through, she said, "It feels like we're breaking up, but we haven't even kissed."

That summed it all up. We're so scared of getting into this thing, but our feelings for each other are right out in the open. I don't know if we stopped it because of the reasons we gave, or if the reasons we gave were just rationales to avoid getting any further into something that could easily end in both of us getting hurt.

I used to think I knew everything about women that I needed to know, but it's become evident to me this past month that I don't know anything. In the past, for the most part, I got what I wanted. I had no fear when it came to women. I realize now that the reason it was so easy was that I didn't really care.

For the first time since Aydika, I have a girl stuck in my head. I can't write. I haven't been able to converse with anyone, as I inevitably turn the subject to Her. When I'm out, I think about how much better everything would be if she were out with me.

She fell asleep on the sofa with me again on Friday night, and it was the greatest thing I've felt in over two years. I stayed up as long as I could, trying to get as much as I could out of that experience, because knew that it probably wouldn't happen again.

I'm in trouble.

Published Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:35 PM by Rory

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Flygirl said:

Your post is somewhat confusing.  I didn't feel like I had the time or energy to answer your questions about women honestly or that I'm "womanly" enough or bear a major likeness to women to really help.  I'm kind of out there when it comes to things like this.

If you take out "because I knew that it probably wouldn't happen again", it doesn't really seem like you need the last phrase.  It doesn't fit given what you had just written.  

I'm also confused enough about men to not even want to clear up things about women.  Men are just as hard to figure out sometimes.
March 26, 2008 6:01 PM
 

Jersey Girl said:

Me, I never understood that kind of fear. Fear of what, exactly? Why fear?

Have no fear.

In fact, have a pear instead.
March 26, 2008 9:58 PM
 

Chris said:

Good for you Rory.

I have no way to legitimately relate this to anything on ebay. That being said, I have the Corolla up on ebay, check my other items. I purchased a 2004 Stratus so I could comply with California emissions.

I see why you may be afraid though, unlike the other prior 2 posters. I actually got over that fear by having wanton sex with women of all ages. Sure I wore a condom. So I'm screwed up beyond fear of relationships, and probably for life. It's nice to see that kind of innocence though still left in the world.
March 26, 2008 10:07 PM
 

Mark said:

Embrace the fear! It means you're alive and all that crap...

And kiss her for Christ's sake!

(do it for baby Jesus)
March 26, 2008 11:28 PM
 

Massif said:

Good good, sounds like you're in love and totally freaked out.

It all sounds perfectly normal to me to be honest.

I only really have one piece of advice about relationships, which is to enjoy them while you have them.

What's the worst that can happen? (Heartache, betrayal, rage, bitterness, all that Jazz. Sounds like you've been there, done that.)

Oh, and there's only one "right place" to start a relationship, it's next to someone you can't help thinking about all the time thinking "OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG". (Except, I should hope you think in full words and not internet abbreviations.)
March 27, 2008 2:07 AM
 

Massif said:

If you're really worried you could try this technique:

http://aa1.naurunappula.com/0/073/220/182693.jpg

Although I don't recommend it.
March 27, 2008 2:41 AM
 

NaF said:

Jump into it my man!
March 27, 2008 5:12 AM
 

l0ngterm said:

Damn Rory. Just give into what is obviously natural desire for the both of you. Quit over analyzing whether either of you are ready or not. You only go around once. We are often not ready for what obstacles or opportunities are put in our path. If we don't take advantage of them we will never live but merely cope. Me, I don't like to cope I like to live.

Just Do It and quit thinking about it.
March 27, 2008 5:35 AM
 

older but no wiser said:

you know ppl with imagination have this thing... imagination... they need smth to feed it... and the fear for intimacy may come out fear to lose that thing to feed it… and the fear that after getting what you want you will stop feeling smth intense that you haven’t been feeling for long enough… and cause it’s ALL about precious YOU;) you feel, you are obsessed, you’re losing, you’re gaining, you fear….

hate it hate it hate it
http://wilshipley.com/blog/2008/03/there-is-moment.html

it’s not even about kissing or Doing It it’s about sharing together fun and sorrows… and it’s spring time… and nature has ways of sorting these things out… anyway it’s quite charming after a long trip together through some shop set up a camp in the apartment… just for fun giving things around new names (together and not in your head) and teaching each other something weirdly strange and inconvenient thus interesting… and who knows… you can always be friends (if kissing things will turn real horror;) even if only one of you is happily married and the other is still alone and reads neurotic blogs :mad:
though it takes time
and even if you can imagine yourself you can't imagine the other person for real and that's what makes life so cool
you need to get to know that warm stranger not assume rationally that you are consumably inadequate
March 27, 2008 5:38 AM
 

SteveJ said:

For my entire dating life I was a serial monogamist.  Date one girl for months, break up, wait maybe a month, then date another.

So my experience doesn't really mirror yours.

However, my wife and I originally were in a similar place, where we didn't want to get together because it would hurt other people and ourselves.  My last long term girlfriend had been a close friend of hers.

We tried avoiding each other, tried to be just friends, tried to take it slow, etc.  None of it worked.  Now we're stuck with each other, and we like that just fine.

I think the defining moment for me was when we were in a car somewhere and all I really wanted to do was hold her hand.  I didn't care about sex, other people, relationships, etc, I just wanted to be close enough to her to hold her damn hand.

My worst relationships are the ones I've actively pursued.  I build someone up in my mind and then things get a little less shiny day by day and I wake up one day and wonder what the hell I'm doing.  My better relationships I've fell into.  My best relationship I tried to stay away from.
March 27, 2008 9:17 AM
 

Lloyd said:

Did you just recite the last year of my life?

I completely, totally like this girl. She knows I do. She's awesome, amazing, funnny and beautiful - she's perfect. Some bad stuff's happened to me over the past year or so. I told them all to her. She's the only person I told the full story to - I'm usually a completely shut down person with no emotional openings for anybody to hurt me through - she knows it all; she's like a flaw in my armour.

She's.. perfect. The fact that she shares stuff with me and I share stuff with her makes me feel safer about it - but it still completely freaks me out. I don't love her. or I do love her. or something. Hard to tell when you're 14 :P

I just wish things were as easy as yours... Can you imagine how hard it is to get a chick to go to LUNCH with you, let alone dinner, at my age. And I mean, falling asleep drunk on the sofa? Pfft... not going to happen for a while :(

Anyways, you seem happier about it. And I've started my own business too, I'm just trying to think of a name for it. Something cool. If you hit my site, and hit my hire-me section,it's been updated. Since you've started yours I figure I could offer you some graphics or something; I'm trying to get my business running by getting some of my stuff "out there".

Take it slow. Read Louis Sachars "Small Steps" - it's awesome and should teach you something.. I read it in 3h last night; went to sleep all snuggly and thinking of my girl. Pity that will never happen, or at least not for a looooong time :(

Also; I wrote completely silly stuff so my girl better not read this; or I wont be spoken to ever again :P And I didn't proof read any of it; cause I'm outta the door.

G'luck, Rory. You deserve her :D
March 27, 2008 10:46 AM
 

Lloyd said:

AND check your Twitter direct messages; I sent you a VS2005 key you can use :)
March 27, 2008 12:10 PM
 

Andrew said:

I would give a great deal of money to have that sort of closeness in my life, Rory. If you don't think it's right, that's your call, but I think you're passing up a golden opportunity.
March 27, 2008 4:29 PM
 

Lloyd said:

Absolutely. I reckon I'd take out a f*cking huge loan for that :P

I'd sell this house (and it isn't mine, my mum would be proper pissed)
March 27, 2008 5:20 PM
 

Andy said:

Be careful and go with your heart not your scared ass mind. I bailed out of a relationship that I spent 3 years in with the only girl I have ever loved unconditionally. I hurt her so bad when I got scared even though she loves me she will never take me back because she is to scared I would bail again. I will spend a lifetime regretting what I did. Be smarter than I was, go with your heart.
March 27, 2008 5:57 PM
 

Astrid said:

I recently dated not one but *two* guys who behaved this way with me (i.e. being all schmoopy, then running away without warning, leaving me puzzled and not just a bit upset).  For all I know, I was their in-between gal whenever their latest MySpace hook-ups fell through.  Or perhaps they are pining for me still.  Who knows?  I present their examples here, tell me what you think:

Guy A, after telling me he wanted a second chance with me -- even saying he was willing to invest the effort to earn back my trust -- proceeded to ignore me for a month.  And then I just got a text message from him today, saying he's reading a book I once recommended.  Did he even bother asking me how I've been?  Nopers.  Idiot fck.

Guy B, after we'd had a whirlwind courtship which was wicked rad, proceeded to tell me over the phone that he'd had the most disturbing dream of his life recently, to wit: he had been on the top floor of a skyscraper, and while the building was solidly built, the top floor was about to topple off.  When I asked him what he figured it meant, he said it was probably his fear of success, particularly of his inability to cope with the responsibility of it.  He only contacted me once afterwards, ten days later, when he merely wanted phone sex.  Sigh.  What a waste of a perfectly good Astrid!

Man, I'm tired.  Not so much physically, but existentially.  Love/closeness has never scared me in my life, so I really didn't believe that fear of intimacy exists for others.  Up until I read this post of yours, I thought that when guys say "I have this fear of intimacy," it's actually a Guy Speak cop-out for "I'm just not that into you," so thank you for some genuinely heartwarming (if simultaneously disturbing) insight.  I needed this.

But hey, if anyone wants to kick a couple of guys in the shins for me, I'll pay you.  In hot chocolate, anyway.
March 27, 2008 9:09 PM
 

Massif said:

Awww, I'd love to take your offer up Astrid, but I'm kinda 5000 miles away, so that would be tricky.

But I will do extraordinary things for a good hot chocolate.

To be honest, I never understood the fear of relationships either. I guess there's some part of a relationship wherein you're responsible for how the other person feels, but frankly that's true of all the people you meet ever (to a lesser extent, obviously).

Then again, I never understood much about how most men seem to behave; I sometimes think I'm entirely the wrong gender. Ah well...
March 28, 2008 1:51 AM
 

Jersey Girl said:

@Astrid: Me, I have no patience for such games. You need higher-quality guys. [Insert Aretha-style spelling exercise here]
March 28, 2008 4:54 AM
 

graham said:

you need to get out more :)
March 28, 2008 5:47 AM
 

Zer0Mass said:

Ultimately I think all fear is based around an idea of losing something.  Something we are so afraid of losing something that we push it away before we really know what we have.  Don’t sell yourself or her short.  Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn’t, but you never know for sure until you have tried.  Just because you enjoy different things doesn’t mean you can’t be together.  I think having different interests gives you something to talk about at the end of the day.  And someday, yes even to you, sex will be of little importance and you will need something to do with her besides making the” two backed beast”.  
I have had some pretty messed up relationships and I know that there are days I wish I could fall asleep next to some of those people.  Don’t do the “to have loved and lost is better that to have never loved at all” because to regret what never was, is far stupider.
March 28, 2008 7:19 AM
 

John D. said:

Life is all about new experiences. Go for it! Don't miss an opportunity like that. If you get hurt, you'll get up and heal. That's how things work.

Best regards,
John
March 28, 2008 9:21 AM
 

Astrid said:

I more or less agree with Zer0Mass: to regret what never was is incredibly dumb-sounding.  Then again, Rory, I do kind of see where you're coming from; John D. says "Idea [I]f you get hurt, you'll get up and heal," but because of various personal demons you've mentioned earlier, you seem justifiably terrified that the healing will never happen.  Wouldn't it be great if having repeatedly painful experiences meant being able to endure pain more easily after a while?  Someone needs to patent Kevlar cardiac tissue, I think.

@Massif: there's a Leonidas near me which does a killer hot chocolate with a twist of orange.  Yumz!  Not that I'm trying to sway you or anything, ahem cough.

@Jersey Girl: sing it, sister!  And, um, if you know of any higher-quality guys in Los Angeles, you know where to reach me. ::grin::  It's odd, but over the past year I've encountered a spate of guys who've told me I'm "intimidating"; I say odd, because I'm a) 4'11", and b) the human gal version of SpongeBob SquarePants.

Boys?  You are all CRAZY PEOPLE.  But, confound my non-Kevlar heart, I still like you anyway.
March 28, 2008 10:47 AM
 

Astrid said:

Whoa, I typed a lowercase i in brackets in my previous comment, and SHAZAM: a lightbulb icon appeared instead after I hit 'Submit'!  Am I missing something?  Are there other, bracketed letters of the alphabet which could give me additional funky icons on this site?  In the interest of science, I'm going to test this right now:

Angel [A] Beer [B] Coffee [C] Drinks [D] Email [E] [F] Gift [G] Cool [H] Idea [I] [J] [K] [L] [M] No [N] Time [O] [P] [Q] [R] Sleep [S] [T] Broken Heart [U] [V] Wilted Flower [W] [X] Yes [Y] Person [Z]

Angel [A] Beer [B] Coffee [C] Drinks [D] Email [E] [f] Gift [G] Cool [H] Idea [I] [j] [k] [l] [m] No [N] Time [O] [p] [q] [r] Sleep [S] [t] Broken Heart [U] [v] Wilted Flower [W] [x] Yes [Y] Person [Z]

Holy gravy boats, that was exciting; thanks for humoring me, everyone.  And now, here's the part where I return to my regularly-scheduled life....
March 28, 2008 10:59 AM
 

Lloyd said:

I am not crazy. CRAZY!!!!! yes, but crazy... nope

Say Astrid, how old are you ;) LOL
March 28, 2008 11:44 AM
 

Astrid said:

I'm 30.  Why, do I come across as disturbingly juvenile?  Or charmingly juvenile?  Either way, I am getting lunch now.  Please: hold your applause.
March 28, 2008 1:50 PM
 

Lloyd said:

Well, it's only 16 years... that's legal, right?

Actually, no. You're old! :P

Also, check our Rorys Twitter... stuff isn't looking good. I suspect he's writing up a post as we speak.

Unlucky, man :(
March 28, 2008 4:03 PM
 

Lloyd said:

waddafudge

Your blog comment system is turning into channel9 :P

Silly bug!
March 28, 2008 4:04 PM
 

Yuvi said:

Oh well....

Donno. People with orders of magnitude more experience here than me. I'll shut up.

I donno Rory, but I haven't practically talked to any girl for a few years. I guess you've to learn back some of the things I learnt from your writings. Go read your archives.
March 28, 2008 8:57 PM
 

Lloyd said:

:O

I can't imagine not having girls in my life. Helps that I'm a totally outrageous flirt, though (and pretty much everybody I know would confirm that).

Still, I refresh, waiting for Rory to see the light and reply :(
March 29, 2008 5:13 AM
 

Yuvi said:

Lloyd: It's not that bad, actually, 'coz you get time to do other things. But, it does come with a lot of negatives: For one, I think a lot of India's problems are because a lot of people here are like me, and can't put that "energy" to good use...

See how the conversation is being hijacked unintentionally....
March 29, 2008 11:00 AM
 

TheSingularOne said:

Rory,

I wandered onto your site one day and have since followed your life and likes. I have read some to many of your posts and none tugged at my heart as much as this one did. Btw, the last few disturbed me a bit because it felt you were tethering on the brink...but this one...well...it disturbs me more, though not for the same reasons...


The fear of the disillusionment, being hurt and loss of control you'll experience if things don't play out, as you hoped they would, could be holding you back.

But who knows, it may never be so. Things may turn out beautifully...but you'll only know if you take a chance. So do take a chance....The script you have of how your love life should be may be a mediocre one in comparison with what the BigMan up there has scripted. Won't you want to find out?

It'd help if you looked at what 'the girl' feels and wants rather than letting it all be about you.

Wishing you luck, and hoping she's the one.
March 29, 2008 11:49 AM
 

TheSingularOne said:

Btw, I don't think you're in trouble at all.

Note: Your response to the situation has the can cost you the 'Smartest Man Alive' title.

Luck!
March 29, 2008 11:54 AM
 

Petar said:

People should be careful about their relationships, and even more careful if they are going through rough times of their lives. Should Starbuck have gone in a relationship with Adama while they were both fraked up on Pegasus, before she went back to Caprica? Some things should not happen though we want them so much.
March 29, 2008 8:08 PM
 

Andy said:

If you don't already then follow Rory on twitter. Apparently teh girl is gone already. D@mn that one went fast!
March 29, 2008 9:14 PM
 

Rory said:

HEY, PEOPLE - I'm going to respond to this stuff in a post. Too many comments :)

But, TheSingularOne - I gots a question I needs to ax you:

"Btw, the last few disturbed me a bit because it felt you were tethering on the brink..."

I get this every once in a while, and... it's a sensitive thing for me.

That comment usually comes when I'm actually feeling pretty good, but whenever I see it, regardless of how I'm feeling, this dark, anxious, awful feeling comes over me. I lose perspective sometimes, and it can result in weird posts - often my favorites. But, because I don't tend to do things By The Book of Normal Humanness, I never know when what I'm writing comes across as nuts or mentally unstable or emotionally unstable or whatever.

I see that comment (it really is the same each time no matter who leaves it) as a possible early warning alarm. I might be slipping and not even know.

And, as you can probably tell, I start to get obsessive about it.

What gave you the impression that I'm "tethering on the brink"? And I don't mean in this in an aggressive you-better-'splain-yourself-good kind of way - it's an earnest question.

I want to understand why my posts sometimes trigger that thought. From where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to be much consistency to it. A couple times, people've been close, but we're talking about posts that were *way* Out There.

Yeah... so... help a guy out? I really, really, really want to know what seems brink-ish about me at the moment...
March 29, 2008 10:37 PM
 

TheSingularOne said:

Rory, I will. But please don't be too concerned.

It's only sometimes...its the reading between the lines that leads to these conclusions and I could be completely wrong in concluding thus. I hope I can offer concrete evidence from your posts. And I'll do my very best to explain myself and will be honest.

Rory, after reading my mail you may just dismiss it with a 'how very stupid!' comment. So what I'm trying to say here and not too well is please leave the obsessing till after the mail.
March 30, 2008 6:29 AM
 

lisa4.0 said:

Three words: Go With It.
March 31, 2008 9:00 PM
 

The Cowboy said:

Considering my history, take everything I say on this particular topic with a pound of salt.

What feels natural is right, but don't rush things.  Instinct is almost always right (almost).  Don't run away, but give it time to gel, too.

I honestly hope this works out for you.
March 31, 2008 11:43 PM
 

Anonymous Coward said:

I tailgate people on the freeway.  I do this not because I'm impatient with the guy in front of me, but, I hate to think that the guy behind my is waiting on me.

I usually break up with someone promising on date #4.  I do this not because I am worried about the hurt they will cause me, but, because I worry about the hurt I will inevitably cause them.

Somewhere in the mix of fear and politeness, assholedom is born.
April 1, 2008 2:16 PM
 

Dave said:

"Yeah... so... help a guy out? I really, really, really want to know what seems brink-ish about me at the moment..."

Hmm. Sounds about averagish blokish existential relationships angst to me.

Crazy crazy ladies are the only ones worth chasing though*. I bet it works the same way for them.

*Oh crap. That's why I'm single isn't it?
April 1, 2008 3:26 PM
 

Dave said:

Ok, I think this adequately explains both why you sometimes cause that sort of comment, and simultaneously why you shouldn't overly worry about it: http://xkcd.com/137/

I should also point out that because comics are a bastard to google for when you can't remember any pertinent keywords that it took 137 clicks to find the appropriate one.

Thank you.
April 1, 2008 3:34 PM
 

Amala said:

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