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You Axed: Why I Fear Women, Intimacy, and Relationships

[CLARIFICATION: When I talk about the lack of confidence, it's really only to do with women in these potentially amorous situations. My general confidence is through the roof - public speaking, walking into a room and socializing with everybody - I'm good at that stuff, and I enjoy it. I'm just not good at being confident around ladies I think I might want to Have Something With.]

I wasn't ready for the response. I don't know why I always think the personal posts are the ones people will automatically skip over, but it looks like you people give a damn.

Got your comments, texts, tweets, emails, MySpace messages, Facebook messages, calls, and voicemails.

It was a mix of it's-gonna-be-all-right, don't-let-her-get-away, and what's-with-the-fear messages.

The first thing I ought to say is that I'm more or less OK. I went through a bad period during which I didn't post or respond to communications. When I'm in the middle of a big emotional mess, I withdraw. I get overwhelmed by the incoming messages. I don't post because I'll probably just write a lot about what I'm going through. I don't think you want to read that, and I don't want to write it - when I write about emotional craziness, it makes it harder for me to deal with it. I focus on it and then overthink it all. The result is that the problem becomes bigger in my head - gets blown out of proportion. I've learned over the years, and particularly over the past six or seven months, to keep to myself when feeling this way.

I've also learned to take my attention elsewhere. Working on abstract creative projects helps to clear my mind and keep everything in perspective. One of my goals for the summer is to have an acoustic set together and then to play out. To get that done, I've been playing guitar for anywhere from one to four hours a day. It's great therapy - I love the process, and, because of the nature of music, you don't get the chance to stop and dwell on more concrete issues.

The other medium into which I disappear nowadays is video. I just finished a rough cut of the trailer for the Mini Cooper modification performance shop project thing I've got going on. Hours and days fly by while I'm editing. I love it. I love it, I love it, I love it. And, this time, I got to edit together a car chase between a Porsche 993 Turbo and a Stage IV Mini Madness Cooper. I had never done anything like it. I want to do more. Getting to choose the shots and control the pace of the action was so much fun. When I get a tighter version of the trailer together, I might post it here. We'll see.

Now... to the fear.

While I couldn't possibly explain it all, I thought about it quite a bit this week, and I can at least highlight a few of the things that, for me, contribute to, and keep alive, that fear.

---- Insecurity ----

This one's obvious. We all doubt ourselves. No matter how amazingly gorgeous we are, or how unstoppably charming, we'll never be entirely confident.

For example, although I effect an outward appearance of arrogance and narcissism, the truth is that I feel like an awkward, ugly, inelegant mess. A couple of my close lady friends and I have been discussing this. They want to help me get past my fears. This one, though - my feeling that I'm extremely unattractive - drives them nuts because they think I'm just being dramatic. But, it's the truth.

I never assume that a girl wants anything to do with me beyond friendship. I rarely make the first move when it looks like things are going to move from a friendship to a romantic relationship. I don't make the first move because I don't think she wants me. I wait for an overt, let-me-spell-it-out-for-you signal before I act or respond.

One reason for this is that we can't see ourselves from the outside the way other people see us. And I'm not just talking about being able to see the backs of our heads - I'm talking about the whole package.

Do women think I'm charming? Handsome? Dorky? Bumbling? Creepy? Fake? Genuine?

I don't know, and I always expect the worst. Even when a woman seems to have given me the go-ahead, I think she's made a mistake, and that she'll realize it before long.

It's totally Psych 101, but I think my persona might be my attempt to counter this insecurity.

By faking cockiness and confidence, I almost am. The persona - in the case of this site, Neopoleon - protects The Real Me. As long as I'm Neopoleon, I'm taking chances with someone else's life. Neopoleon can try to court the women, and, once he gets close enough, he passes things over to The Real Me. It's very Cyrano.

That's the idea, anyway. It doesn't work very well. If I want a meaningless fling, it's splendiferous. If I want a meaningful relationship, which is always, it's useless. You can't court someone from behind artifice and then switch back to yourself when you're in and safe.

Take the girl who's been the best/worst thing to have happened to me in ages. We met in 2004. She read my site on and off for a couple years, and loved it. When I moved back to Portland in October, she started calling, and we started hanging out. She progressively got to know The Real Me. When she was finally there, she told me that I can't read my site anymore - that she finds it "disgusting" because of how shallow and conceited Neopoleon is, and how not those things The Real Me is.

Yeah, there's crossover. There's a lot of truth to Neopoleon. It's just that it's a small and exaggerated part of me. The me you meet in a relationship is very different.

So... personas... artifice... a belief that the women don't want me... a belief that I'm ugly...

It's insecurity, and it gets in the way at every point in a relationship. It blocks the beginning, and it causes me to behave poorly in the relationship itself.

---- Trust ----

If you've been betrayed by someone close to you, your ability to trust others is weakened. How much will vary from person to person. It will also vary depending on how often you're betrayed, and how important to you the person is who did it.

My mother can be a horribly abusive person. I grew up being blamed for everything, punished for things I didn't do... I'm not going to go into detail, but it was bad. Overall, she did more things to break my trust than to earn it. I became emotionally self-sufficient very early on. I kept to myself, spending more time with computers than people. I didn't use the words "I love you" with anyone. It wasn't until my late adolescence that I first told my mother I loved her. We had had an argument, and she was in this despair over how things had gone. She was rightly worried that I didn't think highly of her. I told her that I loved her because, although I had known all my life that she was wrong to treat me the way she did, I didn't have any malice toward her. Plus, not telling her that I loved her would have made things worse.

Actually, just remembered another instance - I told my father in 1987 that I loved him. Once.

I didn't do emotion. At least not the good stuff. I could do hurt, sadness, loneliness, and so on. I didn't trust anything else.

After my maternal grandmother died in 2006, I told my shrink that my grandmother was the one person in the world I truly believed loved me, and it was the truth. We grew close during my teen years. Before that, I assumed she disliked me, but spending time with her proved otherwise.

When you don't believe that your grandmother loves you until you've amassed enough data to prove otherwise, it's a good sign that it's extremely difficult for you to trust people.

So, if trusting family members was hard, then what about people who didn't even have a biological obligation to love me (though I didn't believe in that love, I still figured it was there at some level)?

In every relationship I've ever had, I expected Her to walk out on me at some point. Or to betray me. I'd seen enough infidelity growing up to doubt that anybody out there didn't cheat. I've always been faithful - I just don't expect others to be. It's always been this way.

I expect my girlfriends to lie to me. As a few of them could tell you, I was always looking for the lie. She could tell me that she just went out to pick up some groceries, and I'd start wondering who she'd just slept with.

I even have a hard time trusting Normal People - that is, people who are just friends or coworkers. It's hard for me to delegate work because I grew up doing everything on my own. I was the only person I could rely on.

The trust issue is much more complicated than I'm going to be able to communicate here. Just understand that I basically don't trust people.

---- Memory ----

"Forgive and forget" is quite the popular cliche. I can do the first thing, but, unfortunately, not the second.

I have a freakishly good memory. It's not photographic - something for which I'm thankful. I feel sorry for people with photographic memories. Remembering pretty much everything would be awful. I certainly don't want to remember a lot of the stuff I have. Perfect recall (or as close to perfect recall as anyone could have) would be a curse.

"Drink to forget" is a cliche I understand much better. I don't do the first thing, but I've found alternatives. The drugs to which I've always been attracted are the ones that lift depression, calm anxiety, and impair your ability to form new memories. My recollection of my life as a drug addict is hazy, and that's how I want it. Regrettably, I do remember a lot of what happened, but at least it's a mess of tangled images.

Friends and family could tell you how frustrating my memory can be. If you tell me something about yourself - maybe your feelings about infidelity, for example - and if it contradicts something you told me, say, fifteen years ago, I'll call you on it. I'll provide you with the context, the conversation we were having, and, sometimes, the relevant snippets of the conversation.

It can really complicate things. The more inconsistencies someone has, the more work I have to do to resolve them in my mind. I'll wind up having to grill you for information about why you have these behavioral inconsistencies. I'll need to have an explanation for each, and then I have to determine whether or not I believe the explanation, or, if I believe it, how far it goes toward a solution.

Sometimes people get really pissed off at me for it. Something I've learned is that people have an enormous capacity for self-deception. They'll try to modify history to resolve their guilt or shame or whatever, so, when you provide them with information that shows they've tried to rewrite things, they really, really flip out. Like it's my fault that someone can't live with their guilt. And, I ought to clarify, I typically only do this when I'm on the receiving end of someone's crap, and they're justifying what they're doing/saying based on that altered history.

There are many things I don't remember. Routine events such as getting coffee in the morning don't get stored strongly. Yeah, I'll remember, but unless something happens that's worth remembering, I let it go.

Where this fits into relationships is, to be, obvious. When you have a detailed picture of someone's inconsistencies, self-deceptions, infidelities, lies, and so on, you see that someone is capable of just about anything. That person can hurt others, rewrite history, continue on without the burden of guilt, and then do it all over again while believing that he/she is completely in the right.

People change. I've changed over the past two years in ways that I hope are positive. But, still... as much as someone may change, I can't forget everything that came before.

In the case of my mother, I can remember horrible things all the way back to my early childhood. The same goes for other family members. But my mom is the worst. When we're arguing, and when she denies that she ever did anything to hurt me, I respond with The List. I'm guessing she's reading this, and either accepting or denying the validity of what I'm writing. If she were to confront me about it and accuse me of lying - which she's done - I'd probably say something like, "Do you remember the night in 1984 when you were throwing the temper-tantrum, screamed at me, told me you were leaving forever, got in your car, took off in a huff and a puff, came back an hour later, and got right back to screaming at me, this time because you'd just gotten a speeding ticket down by Dunaway Park, and that it was my fault because I had supposedly upset you?" If that isn't good enough, then I'll recite another eight-thousand episodes of many varieties. The more she pushes back, the deeper I'll go into the details.

I haven't spoken to her for months because she finally went overboard and, even for her, did something profoundly hurtful. I tried to work things out - tried to forgive her - but, over and over, she rewrote the past, lied, accused, blamed, etc., until I couldn't take it anymore.

I wrote to her recently to say that I'd like to give this healthy mother/son relationship thing a try again. We'll see. Another problem with a good memory is that bad events don't feel discrete - each builds on all the ones that came before. If she lies to me in a certain way, for example, my reaction isn't going to be proportional to that one lie - it's going to be proportional to all the lies combined.

Some people say that I "keep score." It's not the case, but it looks that way. The reality is that I'm not looking to be Right or to take the moral high ground. What I want is to resolve problems in as unbiased a way as possible. When these events stack up in my head, I don't use them to lord it over someone - I use them to protect myself. If an obvious, negative behavioral pattern is demonstrated, I'm going to walk away.

I have, many times in relationships, gotten extremely mad in response to what the other person thought was a minor offense. She'd wonder why I was so furious about "one lie." It's not because of that one lie - it's because it's another lie in the stack. When it's contested, I'll go down the stack, detailing the lies, and then explaining my position. As with people who rewrite histories, these people go nuts. They feel that it's unfair for me to judge them based on previous transgressions. What a bunch of crap.

Anyway, what my memories tell me is that people don't just hurt each other - they do it so often, in my experience, that it's almost like they want to do it. I have nearly three decades of confusing events in my head. People being nice, then mean, then nice, then mean, then mean again, then continuing with the mean, maybe being nice for a moment, and then getting epically mean.

It scares the crap out of me. I can go back, slip into the moment, often as though it had just happened, and experience the hurt all over again. It happens automatically when someone I'm involved with triggers those memories, typically by adding to them.

With a crappier memory, I wouldn't remember so many of these inconsistencies, lies, abuse, and so on. It would be easier to "forgive and forget" if, like so many other people, I could fill in the blanks with "memories" that make it easier for me to deal with the past.

---- And Other Stuff I Won't Get Into ----

There's so, so much more, but these three things - Insecurity, Trust, and Memory - account for much of my fear.

I'm afraid of women because I've seen so many do so many awful things. It's not to say that men aren't completely assholes, but they're irrelevant to this discussion, so don't freak out, ladies. I'm not saying it's just your sex that's bad news, but it is just your sex that I have to worry about in relationships.

I'm also afraid of women because I don't think they want me. That's the insecurity.

Intimacy... intimacy, for me, is an emotional thing. Physical intimacy is no big deal if I don't care. It's when I do care that it becomes difficult.

Relationships... yeah. How do you have a healthy relationship when you feel the person has made a mistake about being attracted to you, but doesn't realize it yet? Or the trust problem? How can you have a healthy relationship when, based on past experiences, you believe She's going to betray you? How can you have a healthy relationships when you amass a library of memories showing that She's inconsistent about Big Serious Things? Or that show she lies?

It goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on...

It all comes together to leave me utterly freaked out by emotions.

All that said, I'm glad about this most recent experience. Even though I didn't get the girl, I got to feel something. There was passion, desire, affection, adoration, and other things that hadn't made an appearance in my life in ages.

I'm also a little less scared of these things now. This girl and I were both confused, and we both acted inconsistently, but it was also all honest. We never deceived each other. We misled each other, but not maliciously - it was out of conflict of feelings and reason. Neither one of us is in a "good place" for a relationship, but emotions aren't rational.

I've said this a lot lately, but I've been repeating it over and over because it helps me make sense of how reason and emotion can be completely at odds:

You don't get to choose who you fall for. You don't get to choose who you love.

You might think you can, but all you can really do is choose how you're going to handle those emotions.

So, that's what we did. The attraction is there, and we gave into it a little. I wanted to give into it entirely, but she didn't feel comfortable with that, so here we are.

As I was saying, though, this is all good stuff. Having had a positive emotional experience - trust and respect are much more important to me than success - has left me feeling like I don't have to tuck my emotions away again. This whole thing opened the door a little.

I want to do this again. Not with her, as she made it clear that it's not going to happen. I plan to pay attention and keep an open mind - be receptive to situations where there might be the possibility of a relationship. I'm going to try not to let my insecurity get in the way - even though we're not together, she does dig me, and that helps to remind me that, whatever I believe, there are some out there who do think I'm attractive.

Her honesty also gives me a bit of hope. There are girls out there who are more interested in doing what they think is right for the situation rather than just themselves.

Anyway, gotta run. Battery's running out, and I have some errands to attend to. I expect there are a few typos here, and that the usual typo-spotters will let me know if they spot 'em. I'll fix 'em later.

Tah.

Published Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:55 PM by Rory

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Lloyd said:

Rory, I understand completely. I swear to RoRY(when are we getting the next installment?), you could be my exact twin.

Now, stuff:

Arguments with mum - I do this. Bad arguments. I mean, I want to chop your door down with an axe and throw you outta the house arguments. My dad left a few months back. It was weird, I didn't feel anything, but a small build up of anger at tiny things. TINY things. My mum whines - constantly. My brother follows me around like a shadow, and when I flip out at him for doing something wrong, I'm the one that gets the blame. I like Rugby. a lot. I go to watch the Six Nations on the big-ass projectors down at our local club - and one time my brother decided to come with. I mean, he's Emo, and I suspect HIGHLY that he's more Gay than Elton John - he doesn't even like Rugby. I know the guy that owns the club - he dates my mum -  so he gets me and my mates good seats and a pint (I know, but it's that homey feel, we're pretty rural and everybody knows everybody). But my brother has a habit of stealing everything and anything I have, delicious and sweet Magners/Becks Viér included. He took a sip - I mean, a tiny sip - but he knows very well my drinks are MY DRINKS and that he should stick to the Coke, I've got a big thing about hygene. But I flipped at him, told him to turn around (he's mischevious, so I make him sit in front of me. Telling him to simply not come isn't an option, my mum makes me take him everywhere) and got on with the game. Course, we get home, and he promptly:

Rips my halo 3 poster off the door
Threw 4 knifes and an ice cream spoon at me
Spat, Swore and Sprayed me with green hairdye
and ripped the shower curtain down.

Mum comes home, brother puts his sad face on. Mum doesn't even say anything, doesn't ask any questions, just pins it on ME instantly. It's getting to the point where I spend so much time in my room, or in friends houses, to avoid them, that I speak to them for probably less than 10 minutes, total, per day. I now have a Bunny Suicide poster, and so far it's lasted well. Again though, tonight I've got my best friend over - and my brother, cunning w*nker that he is, knows very well how stupid my mum is (yeah, hope you're reading - might get the message across at least...) and kicked up a fuss. He comes into my room, deliberately being annoying. I know that while I was out getting Coke (yay) he took my Halo 3 disk. Because it wasn't where I'd left it, and nobody else had touch it. It WAS him, I know it was. He does this sort of thing all the time. I ask him for it back, and without further ado, he jumps into tantrum mode. Not a polite "no I don't have it", but instantly: "STOP ACCUSING ME OF THINGS" - conviniently loudly enough for my mum to hear. My mum, once again jumping the gun, storms upstairs and gives me a shouting to - and I'm watching my smirking brother the whole time. I'm writing this post with no shirt on - because it's covered in saliva. Once again, the idiots spit on me.

I hope I don't seem to be taking over here, but saying "I know what you're going through", or "I know how fustrating this is" just isn't good enough, anybody can say that - I have to show you.

From the arguments with my mum to the grandmother thing - she's in hospital right now, but once again I'm being blamed for not going to see her - but nobody understands that I can't, don't and shan't want to see her in such a state!
Just so you know, I understand. I know how fustrating, how "I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEBODY" it feels. I just can't wait to move out, to some sunny country where I never have to see them again. I can live with a nice girl in a nice house, with the sun beating down and a computer in every room. I know it sounds like I'm being stupid, but I REALLY can't wait to get out of here, and have my own life.
As for my dad... I don't know what's going to happen there. I miss him. But I also want him gone. He has done some bad stuff, and has said some even worse stuff - uttered words that landed him in custody, and a ban from my town. It also earned my house a personal alarm and a "Grade 1" alert thing - apparently, if the alarm goes off, 50 billion cops converge on the house withing 120 seconds. Sweet, huh? *sigh*

Just so you know, I understand. I've said it before... I say it again. IT'S FUSTRATING, ANNOYING and SADDENING.. but you'll get through it. I handle it the same way - I just shut the f*ck up about it and get on with life. I'm good at covering stuff up, I've been doing it my whole life - but that's a different story. One I'll probably only ever tell to a person REALLY close to me, and that wont happen for a while. I've gotten so good at it even my best friends don't know stuff's bothering me - and I know that's not a good thing, there're times when I wish they'd just say "are you ok?" or come give me a hug. There is currently one person on the planet who knows the 100% truth, and I trust her with my life and love her to bits. I just hope one day she can be the one I live with in the nice house, sun and computers.

You'll wonder why I don't do a Rory and post everything on my blog... but thats the thing. I can't. I haven't even told my two best friends, and the stuff I could write about ashames me. People can tell me time and time again not to care what people think, but ultimately: I do care. I do give a shít. So right now I can't, because the second this gets out into the open I'm going to be hit with a blow I can't handle.

Does this mean I've got a ton of Twitter messages now?

Now, I don't ever proof read anyways, so any mistakes... you'll have to live with them :)
April 1, 2008 5:25 PM
 

Carlos said:

Someone else already said this, but I totally relate to your history, it's almost as if you were writing my own, and to top things off, I'm in the same position and just passed over the same situation, and came to the same conclusion.

It is an oportunity to open the door and try to feel some more and be less afraid...

Go on...
April 1, 2008 6:58 PM
 

SteveJ said:

I'm glad you have positive takeaways from the experience.  As far as all the rest goes, I feel you, and I think the central issue is trust and not insecurity, but hey, I'm not you.  I've got a memory that lets me keep score, and you just have to let stuff go to form intimate connections.  If you forgive, even if you're incapable of forgettng it, you can't dwell on it either, that's just not forgiveness.  People screw up, and it's unfortunate we don't want to own up to it, but that's how we're trained early on.  You have to make a strong effort to be brutally honest about yourself, and lets face it, then you start running down the insecurity track because you remember the 11 times you screwed up (because they were memorable) while glossing over the 100 times you were a desirable, honorable, superlative human being.

Anyway, this isn't a conversation you can have over a blog comment.  Keep it going, keep it positive.  Good place to end up.
April 1, 2008 7:09 PM
 

Udo said:

That's all very understandable, but there has to be some small comfort in the (however repressed) knowledge that those problems are "only" in your head. If that sounds harsh, consider people who, on top of all that emotional baggage, _don't_ have a few hundred people care about their well-being. Consider people who _don't_ get constant re-affirmation from their female friends, simply because they _are_ ugly. People who don't get the opportunity to even explore those kinds of relationships at all, because nobody's interested in them to begin with and it's just never going to change.

It may be cliche'd but nobody, literally nobody, cares how ugly and dull people feel inside. In contrast to them (myself included), you're in the extremely lucky position to have all your self esteem issues invalidated by daily experience, if you just choose to pay attention to the data!

I don't write this to sound whiny, even though I realize it does. I'm telling you this to make you appreciate what you already have just a little bit more.

And you can always draw comfort from the fact that you have great hair ;-) seriously, don't underestimate the power of The Hair!
April 1, 2008 7:15 PM
 

Chris said:

I have advice, but I know you won't like it.
You *could* lower your expectations and go out with women that are more "regular looking", and have intimate relations with them(you're more than likely to succeed). After doing that a lot I doubt you would have any more fear. I for instance am now fearless. I could impregnate 5 women and face an eternity of child support without batting an eyelash. Because I accept it.

At any rate, I wish you well finding a new girlfriend and trusting her. Nobody is completely trustworthy. You have to settle for the best of the gray area. BTW, our new company is Orjii LLC and we're in an office suite on East Broadway in Long Beach, California 90802.

If you wanna come by, email me for the exact address. We're 5 people on a mission to take Monster.com to the cleaners during the recession.

I realize you have OCD and it may be hard for you, but a condom provides reasonable protection. Just go for it. Just do it. It's life, you're going to have problems whatever you do.
April 1, 2008 8:26 PM
 

Celes said:

Great post. And I'm sure a lot of people say this, but it's how I feel- I get it... all too well.

Even the mom stuff, in some ways especially. It's even worse since my mom is an alcoholic and I have younger siblings mixed up in it all. She is paranoid, selfish, and everything is all wrong and not her fault.

Do people really think cocky Neopoleon thing is really completely you? It's funny for crying out loud. People have dichotomy- maybe some more than others. One side of you shows out clearly and consistently here, but does it mean that it's the one only really true you? No. But it's a piece. Even that persona has many layers...

Trust is SO hard. People are fickle, hurtful beings. And yet still, we're expected to trust over and over and over. The best you can do is try to be that ideal honest and trustworthy person yourself, but even that doesn't work out perfectly well. People hurt and betray people so easily, they can do it without even trying or realizing.

And yeah, forgiving without forgetting... Letting in those people who can and will hurt you over and over and being hurt by them again.

Memory sucks, but it's also supposedly the thing that will help us to make less of the same mistakes over and over.

Paranoia... is it paranoia if it comes true?

Just know if nothing else you're not unique in these feelings and troubles. You've done that for us as well. It makes things a bit more easy to deal with knowing that. :)

Thanks for the post...
April 1, 2008 9:20 PM
 

Celes said:

You know what would be funny? To April Fools this entire post. I don't think anyone would believe you, but thinking of it did give me a chuckle.
April 1, 2008 9:23 PM
 

Flygirl said:

I think you made many valid points in this post.  You have your reasons to be insecure and everyone does, they're just not the same as yours.  I do think sometimes you overanalyze things; sometimes it's tiresome to talk to you because you *are* so analytical.  That's not a bad thing, it's just not something that works well when you have to communicate via blog comments (yours or mine).  There are so many things to address.

I think realizing what is making you scared is the first step to understanding WHY you are and how to fix it.  But as a woman, I don't expect guys to just open their hearts to me and not protect themselves.  If they do, I'm kind of freaked out by it.

I could tell you all the reasons why women should fall for you, and, more bluntly, why I fell for you.  But you  know and it'd be wasting your time.  But you should know that you're a catch and I don't think there are many women that would find you unattractive.  Maybe if they're into big, hairy guys or guys who are scared of blowdryers.  ;)

You are cocky and you are confident here and in real life but I think that's highly attractive...there's a difference between being cocky and being a conceited prick.  

Your last post almost offended me...read it again and you  might see it.  Was this meant to be a little scathing?  Just wondering.

Anyway, I truly think that if you just stop and breathe instead of analyzing things that you might find you don't get so scared.  for example, on the couch, you should have woken up next to her and breathed in the smell of her instead of freaking out...that's what I'm saying.  

Relax a little bit and don't be afriad of something it seems you want so badly.
April 1, 2008 10:13 PM
 

Rory said:

... -

Sorry, people - before I get to jumping in to the conversation, I have to address this question first:

"Your last post almost offended me...read it again and you  might see it.  Was this meant to be a little scathing?  Just wondering."

No. And you're not alone in the was-that-directed-at-me category. I shouldn't have worded it the way I did, but I was in a bit of a state. I've had some explaining to do over that one...

You should know that you're in a category of your own.

"it's just not something that works well when you have to communicate via blog comments"

Yeah. That was a busy week for being hyper-analytical. After such a long stretch of not having those feelings present - at least not for anyone new - I realized that a lot had changed up in my head. There were (are) things I want/need to understand better about women. Not just so that I feel more secure around them, but so that I can try, for once, to be a *good* boyfriend.

"for example, on the couch, you should have woken up next to her and breathed in the smell of her instead of freaking out...that's what I'm saying."

I only freaked out the first time. The second time, I loved every second.

Regarding breathing her in - she left a sweater over at my place. I slept with it next to my pillow - as you know, the scent of a person can either restore or preserve memories of that person.

I felt secure just by having that stupid sweater near me. I returned it to her, which is good. I'm trying to keep my mind from wandering off in her direction, and having that sweater around would really screw with my head right now.
April 1, 2008 11:17 PM
 

Massif said:

Sacre bleu!

OK, so it took so long to read the post that I haven't had time to read the comments yet. But I'll have to come back and do that eventually.

So onwards! To my response!

Insecurity: Here I can kinda relate, I still don't believe my wife when she says she adores me, and I know she doesn't believe me when I say I adore her. But we kinda believe each other enough that we're prepared to trust that the other person is deluded enough that they think these things.

I always took the "apply gentle pressure until they say no" approach to relationships, and when I say gentle I mean I was going out with a girl for six months before we kissed. Don't sweat the insecurity so much, almost everyone I've ever met is actually insecure. Eventually you'll have a conversation that goes like this:

Someone: "I love you, i think you're awesome"
The other person: "I don't believe that I am"
The First Person Again: "Well, I still think you're awesome"
The Second Person: "Well... OK, I believe you when you say you think that, but I think you're wrong."

At this point, everything's fine and normal. Don't try to get past this point, this is as good as it gets really.

Trust: Now here I can't really relate, I'm a highly trusting person. I can understand your position, and to be honest I don't think you should change it. Just so long as everyone knows that you've lost your general purpose faith in humanity at the beginning of a relationship.

People resent being mistrusted when they don't think they've done anything to cause the mistrust, but they generally forgive when they realise that some bastards gone before them sowing the seeds of doubt and betrayal everywhere they went.

There's no easy way to cope with these problems. Don't expect yourself to trust immediately, and make it clear to other people why that might be.

So, for Forgiving and Forgetting, I'd say forgive, but don't forget. No-one can really forget anyway.

But I would caution you from getting too irate with people who re-write history. People do this all the time, and they don't even know they're doing it. People persuade themselves that their version of the story is the true one. They tell themselves the lie over and over until they believe it. Getting into an argument with people over things like this is ultimately harmful, for reasons more to do with them than you. You're asking them to not only remember the truth, but to remember why they were originally ashamed, to remember that they lied to themselves about it, and to remember that they allowed themselves to believe that lie.

That's a lot to ask someone to do.

And you shouldn't be too hard on people, because there's an exceptional chance that you've done the exact same thing at some point too, I certainly know I have.

Anyway, don't sweat it too much. Feel the fear and do it anyway as that stupid book says.

Bah, don't take my advice too seriously anyway. It's kinda patronizing to think I can understand your problems from 5000 miles away without ever having met you. So feel free to mock and scorn this missive to your heart's content. Ta ta for now, and don't take life too seriously, it's only life for fuck's sake.
April 2, 2008 1:18 AM
 

punky said:

You need to downcase "Her".
April 2, 2008 6:06 AM
 

Lloyd said:

RE: Massif

I hate it when people do that - "I think you're awesome", "I don't" - thing...

I do it to the girl I like, and I know very well when I say it she smiles and then denies all. I reckon it'd be better than an "I know I am", it's like a subtle "you're getting there" hint :D
April 2, 2008 6:30 AM
 

Rob Miles said:

Does this mean that you don't actually have a lawn mower powered by your machismo?
April 2, 2008 6:33 AM
 

name unimportant said:

Based on what I've learned (and I believe that you and I have mirrored each other in the learning process) I believe we base other people's perceptions of us on our own perceptions of ourselves.  Ranging from being the star of the universe, ours being the only universe, where everyone loves us, to being so removed from the universe that we simply desire most to leave it altogether, because who could possibly love us?  Is there a happy medium?  A couple of years ago, I know that we both would have said, no.  I think maybe we've both found the medium... it's just that there isn't really a conventional medium.  It's never going to be what we've spent our whole lives imagining that other people have... you know, the normal people.  

You already know all of this.  I don't have any words that will make you feel better about anything.  No deep insight.  No words of wisdom.  Know what I do have?

Your Cyrano... on my forearm.  It reminds me, on a daily basis that during the absolute worst time of my life, I was still able to create something good to get me through (well, almost).  Either way, it was damn close.  And, I'm still here, and so are you.  Try and use your memory for that.  I know there's some good stuff in there.

April 2, 2008 12:19 PM
 

Chris said:

I don't wanna be a bummer or anything, but when I connect to your blog I am getting this error intermittently:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8606487@N03/2383974774/sizes/o/
I don't know if it's something you can fix or not since you're on shared hosting?

The emotions seem to run high here with relationships. I contrast that with super relationship style pragmatism, so I can't really relate. The descriptions by commenters are almost super market novel like.
April 2, 2008 3:27 PM
 

The Cowboy said:

I have a lot to say here, but unfortunately none of it makes it past the list of Things I Will No Longer Talk Or Blog About On The Internet.  This list has gotten quite long lately, and I suppose it’s a Trust issue.  I’ve been reminded (repeatedly) of why I shouldn’t Trust, and it makes it damn hard to find anything I can write about.  

Something this personal is definitely something I would not have enough Trust to post, so you have my admiration for being brave and Trusting enough to put it out there.  
April 2, 2008 7:10 PM
 

older but no wiser said:

That’s a very detailed rational over-worded explanation for some irregularity in minor chemical reaction consequences;) I usually put that (regarding myself) Idiots shouldn’t breed (when I gambit and he gambits and we both see how lame that classical game becomes and we’re losing the very thrill of the thing we used to cherish).
Are you finding reasons for your decisions (making system) or simply justifying convenient way of doing things that very way?..
Not to sound spitefully all-saint and the stuff but has it ever resembled drug addiction behavior… Didn’t you need smth inconsistent to feel adequate just for a period of time?.. Don’t you want that partly in love thing just for the sake of feeling those feelings (those yours thus looking like under control)? Just for yourself:) no children college fund stuff thing around:) no one would say it’s you who are hysterically/selfishly bad/evil partner/parent:)
That’s quite rhetorical actually. And I’m talking to myself as usual:) I used to be not drug but more quitting-drugs addict:) quit;) it all cause it’s illogical (taking drugs is for pleasure or for dying slowly but quitting them is more for dramaqueening:)), it controls you, and I’m damn good at running away without using any additional substances. And one day you find that running away is no way out:) And with that knowledge and a REAL chance to replay everything you see yourself running away and shutting the door literally:) with a whole lot of old and new rational explanations for fear of losing… I prefer to lose it beforehand… cause it’s just the status quo maintaining… you know females;) no pioneering spirit;D and it's plain stupid though I know I did everything right and for some greater good:) I'm proper "downcased" and can live with that for starters:)
That's why this story clicked for me...
You know usually the fun is to play guitar not to analyze or retell it to someone:) but there’re ppl who prefer that retelling thing:) I find it helpful:) but when you just start playing there’s blood on your fingers and they all are clumsy, no analyzing can help that:)

@Udo
"It may be cliche'd but nobody, literally nobody, cares how ugly and dull people feel inside."
yap, till you don't care that's to make it equal to literally nobody;) and don't say it out loud no one would ever care
attractiveness is perceptively subjective
but with those who seem ok and socially accepted... sometimes it's just masked ball... you have to fake it... but there're things you actually don't want faked... but you see everyone around does that... it can be terrifying;)
April 3, 2008 2:28 AM
 

Drewbie said:

RORY,
  This is the first blog of yours that I have ever read, and I completely stumbled upon it by chance only to find that it hits a little to close to home. My real name is Andrea, but I typically go by Drew... Drew (me) is a sexy 5'4'' vocalist in a rockband who always knows just what and how much to say. She has long curly dark red hair, green eyes, and is a jack of all trades- she likes anything from a good beer to painting, people watching, and of corse jamming--- and everyday Andrea wakes up and sees Drew in the mirror and though the day we grapple with what it means to be me.
I also have an emotionally abusive mother, a father who left me, and impecable memory as a result. (I'm a sociologist so it was really interesting to me that we have this in common...) The early emotional autonomy came from me protecting my simpler self from mother's psychologial mind-fucks after defeat when I knew I was justified.
Andrea (also me) is smart, layed-back and has an enormous capacity for love -or I would If I could finnally find someone that was on the same level as me as far as that attraction goes-  so Drew is the persona that keeps me safe, but is the most outwardly accessible part of me. She's confident even if I dont feel it (we fake it til its real) and she has the minerals to deal with life in a way that feels managable to me.

The trick lately has been to stop splitting myself into dualing protagonists, one on the offense, the other on the defense. This isn't about your issues with women that you are only involved with on a surface level- its about your realtionship with yourself.

With every choice that we make every day, every little action, we are constantly redefining what it means both to be human, and more what it is to be ourselves. An example could be that when someone asks you a question, you may answer one way initially, but when asked that same question later you may choose to change your answer after reflecting. This is a change in the way that you define and see yourself, and few others could observe that difference..... the point is, you cannot expect things to change if you do not MAKE a change.
What change is that you say? I wish I knew. But I'm thinking it starts with opening your internal dialog wider and more often- STOP sabatauging (spell?) yourself for one! When you think a girl likes you and you dont deserve it, is that because you felt you've DONE something to not deserve that? or is it that you sort of dont feel worthy- because if so, you should let her be the judge of that. the only thing you can do is be YOUR BEST you. Recognize when you're being your worst, be realistic and honest with yourself about what that looks like, but only change if you don't like who that makes you. No one is perfect- not you, not this girl, and not the next one. But if you can temper yourselves to be accepting of the other and the self you might be better off.

-wow...that felt good. this blog thing is neat... ;)
-drewbie
April 4, 2008 2:53 PM
 

Andy said:

One of your best posts I think. Certainly one of the most honest anyway. I have no advice, we all have to find our own way, and you seem to be making good progress along that path so far, difficult as it may have seemed. I hope you continue on your path and find what you are looking for in the end.
April 4, 2008 4:04 PM
 

blfstyk said:

That's fascinating.  You just wrote the story of my life.  Same.  Mother.  Relationships.  Psychological makeup.  Addiction.  The whole schmeer.  The only difference is I'm gay.  So just change some genders and add a bit more "not fitting in" and you've got my whole story.  My solution was to eventually give up and say "hey, it's just me, by myself."  It's a lonely life but a lot more peaceful.  And there are worse things than loneliness.  But you're younger than I am and you should keep striving, there may be an understanding soul mate out there for you.  Good luck on your journey.
April 4, 2008 7:48 PM
 

John Muir said:

Another first time poster here: this one's really drawing us out of the woodwork…

I studied a fair bit of Jung a couple of years ago, and this post and the last really ring bells. Don't know what your view is of "Psychology" at large, but you certainly put your finger on the persona.

The persona is named after an actor's mask and is all about disguising ourselves, in order to deflect harm and essentially let a straw man or just "someone else" suffer instead of letting everything right on through. The more anguish you get, the earlier on in life, and the stronger it can be until you find yourself debating just *who* inside of you is doing any given thing … which as you know makes for just great late night conversation!

I think Drewbie has an excellent point when she says "its about your realtionship with yourself". You've figured out this persona thing which we all do – in various ways and degrees – but that's only half the story. The deeper question lies in the other personality … the part of you who is sure they're the real deal from the beginning.

If you're still in touch with your shrink, you could see what they make of the Self … if they're into Jung … or whatever the concept is from their training. I'm no professional, and I've found even old Jung himself was pretty bad at explaining his ideas beyond a certain point. Rest assured though there is fascinating stuff there. It's something we're still only just beginning to explore to be honest. Where emotions and pain and reason and joy and destiny and downright insanity originate and mix: welcome to the unconscious.
April 5, 2008 8:43 AM
 

Yuvi said:

You ain't alone.

My actual name is Yuvaraj. Yuvi "was" totally different from Yuvaraj. He was much more confident, knows more people, and is generally better than Yuvaraj.

I'm now merging the personas: Yuvaraj is getting more confident himself, goes out a bit more, though neither have met a girl, any girl, yet. I am thankful that I have fantastic parents though.

I am pretty sure that I don't have even a tiny fraction of the advising-authority of any of the commentators here, because I totally lack experience, but I guess I can say one thing - Remember, you're my hero:)
April 5, 2008 9:50 PM
 

NikitaP said:

This is a first blog post of yours I read.

I can't say I have everything the same, but I can relate to the end result you described.

Don't feel alone in this.

And yeah, best thing to do is to keep 'trekking' along
April 8, 2008 11:46 AM
 

GuyIncognito said:

jesus christ, misery loves company, i guess?  Smile [:)]

rory, why don't you just ditch this stupid asp.net community server blog and get a spiffier blog that runs faster?  it could be php or cobol or anything.  you don't have any allegiances with microsoft anymore.  

also, richard dawkins is going to be on an upcoming episode of dr. who.  not sure which one...  have you been following season 4?

mars needs women.

April 8, 2008 2:27 PM
 

GuyIncognito said:

ps.  i'm just insecure with women because i have a small penis.   other than that, i'm quite a catch!  if only i didn't have the penis the size of a baby acorn, i'd be literally beating the women away with a stick.  i promise you that!

April 8, 2008 2:31 PM
 

Rory said:

OK. I've given up all hope on being able to respond to everybody.

So... thank you all for your responses. The sympathy is nice - the suggestions are nice (most of them). Mostly, it's always nice to feel like people've got your back in a knife fight.

Not that this was a knife fight. And not that any of you would really be all that useful in a knife fight (not trashing your prowess with a knife - just saying you wouldn't be there for me right when I needed you).

I don't know what I'm talking about.

Gonna go back to edit more video.
April 8, 2008 6:19 PM
 

Rory said:

GuyIncognito -

"rory, why don't you just ditch this stupid asp.net community server blog and get a spiffier blog that runs faster?  it could be php or cobol or anything.  you don't have any allegiances with microsoft anymore."

I like having ASP.Net stuff 'cause I can tinker with it if I have to.

I also have a bunch of funky stuff I'm gonna have to do to make the transition to another system. I bought a Graffiti license, but there was a showstopper that's gotten in the way of my using it. The textbox they're using for posts/comments doesn't support Safari. You can use the box - type up your stuff - but it does *zero* formatting. It doesn't even turn line breaks into HTML line breaks. Everything comes out as one big paragraph.

Not OK.

I notified them of the problem, and they emailed me back, but I haven't checked the response yet. If they've fixed it, it means I have to get started migrating my site.

Headache.

I've transitioned twice now (BlogX to .Text to CS), and it's never been easy.

B'yeah - switching to a better, faster platform.

"also, richard dawkins is going to be on an upcoming episode of dr. who.  not sure which one...  have you been following season 4?"

Didn't know that. That's awesome.

I've been following Season Four, but since there's only one episode so far, there's not a lot of following to be done.

Like many of the season premiers, I wasn't too impressed. The New Who Season One premier was uber bad. The next - the Christmas special - was actually pretty good, though David Tennant still didn't have the character down. More specifically, the makeup department didn't have his hair right yet.

The next Christmas special was just weird. I loved seeing Catherine Tate, and I'm glad she's the new Who Girl, but the episode itself stank, though the proper season premier was great.

"Jidoon platoon upon the moon..."

This last Christmas special was crap. I enjoyed it because I love the way David Tennant plays the Doctor, but the execution of the show bit.

Torchwood has been good, though. A bit creepy with Owen being dead. It stresses me out because I'm constantly worried he's going to break more body parts. Don't know why, but it's hard for me to live with that.

Aight.

Back to video.

And hard drive firmware updates...
April 8, 2008 6:27 PM
 

The Cowboy said:

@rory
"A bit creepy with Owen being dead."

That's creeping me out too, much more then the incessant man-snogging.  Somehow Captain Jack can't die and that's okay, but Owen as a walking corpse is too creepy.  Maybe it just hits too close to home...

"I've transitioned twice now (BlogX to .Text to CS), and it's never been easy."

I'm curious, I looked at CS and Graffiti as I contemplated my own site, but never looked into BlogX or .Text.  Did you like those (e.g. is it worth my time to look into)?  So far I've decided to roll my own 'cause I'm a control freak, so I'm tearing the hell out of some starter kit I found somewhere.  I'm actually working on a VS plugin because I got tired of converting code-inline to code-behind by hand.  It's more work, but will be way cool when I'm done.  That's just how I roll...  DotNetNuke is pretty much off the table at this point since the last upgrade trashed the site I was working on.  Uh oh... rambling again...
April 8, 2008 9:17 PM
 

punky said:

@GuyIncognito

How are you man?
April 9, 2008 12:57 AM
 

Lloyd said:

I'd better get a reply thats the longest bit of writing I've ever put on the web :P
April 9, 2008 1:45 PM
 

someone said:

Older But No Wiser had a strange, rambling comment, but his/hers struck me the most. Nailed some things on the head (after wading through the :) faces), particularly this:

"...taking drugs is for pleasure or for dying slowly but quitting them is more for dramaqueening."

Quitting them over and over and over and over to talk about it and find reason for it and condescend over others for it over and over and over and over...:)D Yeah.
April 15, 2008 10:38 PM
 

Rory said:

Dear "someone" -

You're one of the only people I've had a problem with in that area.

Reading your comment reminds me why. The last sentence is outstanding - the hypocrisy of condescendingly complaining about condescension is gold.

It's also nice to know that you know me so well that you can boil a serious problem down to: "[q]uitting them over and over and over and over to talk about it and find reason for it and condescend over others for it over and over and over..."

If you haven't already, you're going to suddenly come to your senses someday and realize just how fucked up that is.
April 16, 2008 2:54 AM
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